220 41469 article Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Joel FALCOU Newsgroups: gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals Subject: Re: Allow array as function return value Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 17:33:14 +0100 Approved: news@gmane.org Message-ID: References: <8a165c32-718a-4247-93b4-44235a2cf122@isocpp.org> Reply-To: std-proposals@isocpp.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="126053"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.1 To: std-proposals@isocpp.org Original-X-From: std-proposals+bncBCPININ5TAFRBTV4VPRQKGQEX5QDN6I@isocpp.org Mon Feb 18 17:33:20 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: gclcip-std-proposals@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from mail-wr1-f72.google.com ([209.85.221.72]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1gvlr6-000Wfc-78 for gclcip-std-proposals@m.gmane.org; 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[129.175.30.4]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p16sm25287623wro.25.2019.02.18.08.33.15 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 18 Feb 2019 08:33:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <8a165c32-718a-4247-93b4-44235a2cf122@isocpp.org> Content-Language: fr-classic X-Original-Sender: joel.falcou@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=VRnZ7JRv; spf=pass (google.com: domain of joel.falcou@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=joel.falcou@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=QUARANTINE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list std-proposals@isocpp.org; contact std-proposals+owners@isocpp.org List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 399137483710 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals:41469 Archived-At: On 18/02/2019 17:24, will wray wrote: > std::array is long in the tooth as an early C++11 demo class. Wrong - it's perfectly simple for entry level. Source, I teach C++ since 10 years and array has never been a problem C array always have been. > std::array hasn't proved itself as a 'vocabulary' type for API usage - > spans and ranges supersede and they operate fine with built-in array. std:::array is a data owner, nothing comparable to span > std::array does not 'roundtrip' the wrapped array type; data() returns > a pointer. And ? > std::array is awkward to use for multidimensional arrays. Opinion, not fact > std::array CTAD guides added for 17 only give 'all or none' deduction > - you can't provide > just the type and deduce size - function's deducing built-in array are > more flexible. Make a proposal and amend them. builtin array are non copiable, are not object etc... Is the game of give opinions instead of facts done or ? 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