220 41232 <41ef0549-4ff9-4d0d-b033-5eb30055490c@isocpp.org> article Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Victor Dyachenko Newsgroups: gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals Subject: Re: Modules and preambule, just why? 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So what such modules are supposed to be? Yet another reincarnation of precompiled headers? And why gcc and clang developers are trying "to define interoperable changes" (see https://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/cxx-modules) and establish stable ABI (https://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/cxx-modules?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=module-abi-2017-09-01.pdf)? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to std-proposals+unsubscribe@isocpp.org. To post to this group, send email to std-proposals@isocpp.org. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/isocpp.org/d/msgid/std-proposals/41ef0549-4ff9-4d0d-b033-5eb30055490c%40isocpp.org. ------=_Part_336_1904009052.1544096286361 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Thursday, December 6, 2018 at 7:05:01 AM UTC+3, Tom Hon= ermann wrote:
Hmm, Gaby has sta= ted many times that .ifc files are not intended for=20
distribution.=C2=A0

Really? So wha= t such modules are supposed to be? Yet another reincarnation of precompiled= headers?

And why gcc and clang developers are try= ing "to define interoperable changes" (see https://gcc.gnu.org/wi= ki/cxx-modules) and establish stable ABI (https://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/cxx-modu= les?action=3DAttachFile&do=3Dview&target=3Dmodule-abi-2017-09-01.pd= f)?


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