220 41115 article Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: FrankHB1989 Newsgroups: gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals Subject: Re: Can we have beginner friendly new line and deprecate std::endl? 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That said, I don't see it a big deal to teach newbies '\n' or std::endl as long as they can know the difference. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to std-proposals+unsubscribe@isocpp.org. To post to this group, send email to std-proposals@isocpp.org. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/isocpp.org/d/msgid/std-proposals/ad51d005-ece7-4102-aa42-aac554277733%40isocpp.org. ------=_Part_2650_117724170.1543464869404 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It seems to be the cost of omission of line buffered strea= m notion (as in ISO C) in C++.

That said, I don't see it a big d= eal to teach newbies '\n' or std::endl as long as they can know the= difference.

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