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[198.252.153.129]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 3-v6si23084404pfd.146.2018.11.13.14.16.59 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 13 Nov 2018 14:16:59 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: fail (google.com: domain of eyalroz@technion.ac.il does not designate 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) client-ip=198.252.153.129; Original-Received: from piha.riseup.net (piha-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.163]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BB08C1A0C34 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2018 14:16:58 -0800 (PST) X-Riseup-User-ID: 44285C1A467CC1A842E2DA6D68BF59B4F25976A81B69CC4ABBFAEAF63AED1278 Original-Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by piha.riseup.net with ESMTPSA id 2584466696 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2018 14:16:57 -0800 (PST) Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=eyalroz@technion.ac.il; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= xsJtBFQ4CDERCAClL7jBLShBNQ9DiZCaHJ7bTWk5SxQw2eDiRA0v7HWJgiKtDkaisPvBphK6 HdgZNx9sAO7Me+HnRl4gI1Af3CLpypOMJ8Xi5HGU8I/AfgDWdGKnZ4qk5fa4NXEe8i32nbP6 aiD2p9V48TXLzya4FEw2r2cqwQc+Wrpdkv+IWeJvI7t6q3KaKthvMILkhtFfx/yXdeNwkxKq PiQGH6N6kKpkRXUzL375Bm4p8dVL/3WMsdkSyJixMx/lL5EHBnyMhdP9EaPeMwG4sdI9MIp+ KbXXbK5SgpuminVsfx5cRgQTHKk7Q08vwTacSgvqbY3tAEZgwsYoaWQk6mm5hwydk/iTAQCw oYN4xfCzngZDSem7Xp+zV+iniQeIC1pge69ARCTh9wf/QiSAOuftdnSTeRrpwYH+9VbS6s5C u/DfpkqNBWORN4ld1YGruvDBqWlkuBCrKTHfkxq8s6J+LgBOBird44xjpiBGcd/Ptt/H2h0P arH+L41p5JD5YH/qi3s6kVsypn2+B3MJ20GAkTnYNvCGdKrMShTMkYPOPCJ03AmdV+uIxvAU Jk5S+o7BEeEL7nk/hR6aA/pjMWoiPs/PAc+XkWYdc7jhfR7pOuQwguBnGmZ7yW9RX9BR+RWG fKpk76AdOCo1xeLknb11wiRj4mQ1M3uSyZ/4a3bdR5YYffaBx03ss+so6Qz6RXsO0RCZuwsS soQZSVjGbs9lnKcBLNVfiDy8mAfzBmWM31rMKHwtm6cMv1fUoprUt4nXyHICcHpqmqkuhRyK rpheGN1xs/Chc In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US X-Original-Sender: eyalroz@technion.ac.il X-Original-Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=fail (google.com: domain of eyalroz@technion.ac.il does not designate 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=eyalroz@technion.ac.il; dmarc=fail (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=technion.ac.il Precedence: list Mailing-list: list std-proposals@isocpp.org; contact std-proposals+owners@isocpp.org List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: std-proposals@isocpp.org X-Google-Group-Id: 399137483710 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals:41006 Archived-At: On 09/11/2018 0:07, Brian Bi wrote: > Also, I think adding some hypothetical new "std::newline" constant in an > attempt to "seduce" novices does them a disservice by making them waste > keystrokes and tempting them to use "using namespace std" to save a few. But it allows people (not only novices) to use literal strings with no escapes; and that _is_ kind of useful, at least from an aesthetic perspective. There is also the argument of a (slightly) reduced learning curve for novices. Someone who has not programmed before will understand "hello world" << std::newline << "goodbye world" faster than "hello world\ngoodbye world" I'm not saying that's an important enough advantage, but still. Eyal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to std-proposals+unsubscribe@isocpp.org. To post to this group, send email to std-proposals@isocpp.org. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/isocpp.org/d/msgid/std-proposals/be5afcef-5a22-e30b-59b6-c97bf17a8ac1%40technion.ac.il. .