220 40998 <6339a868-071b-e5c5-a19d-49a4a4d1ba43@gmail.com> article Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Matthew Woehlke Newsgroups: gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals Subject: Re: Can we have beginner friendly new line and deprecate std::endl? 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[66.194.253.20]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id z23sm4190525qkg.50.2018.11.13.10.19.39 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 13 Nov 2018 10:19:40 -0800 (PST) Openpgp: preference=signencrypt In-Reply-To: <7ea647c8-9bfb-4cd9-b55f-4e8b83160451@isocpp.org> Content-Language: en-US X-Original-Sender: mwoehlke.floss@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=aCVARTBo; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mwoehlke.floss@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mwoehlke.floss@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=QUARANTINE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list std-proposals@isocpp.org; contact std-proposals+owners@isocpp.org List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: std-proposals@isocpp.org X-Google-Group-Id: 399137483710 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals:40998 Archived-At: On 11/11/2018 18.01, mihailnajdenov@gmail.com wrote: > By no mean I suggest avoiding them altogether. I only point out that > - A beginner will have to be abruptly introduced to special characters in > his first day (in an API that does not used any special characters!) > - It is a glaring API inconsistency on its own It sounds like what you *really* want is the equivalent of Python's print(), which prints a line of text and automatically adds the newline. Maybe you could propose that? BTW, Qt's QDebug also does that, and some other stuff: qInfo() << "Hello" << "world"; ....will print "Hello world\n", modulo any additional logging formatting (e.g. prepending with the time) that is configured. -- Matthew -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to std-proposals+unsubscribe@isocpp.org. To post to this group, send email to std-proposals@isocpp.org. 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