220 40969 <5d70ae59-7519-4db4-94cc-fadd1b13d467@isocpp.org> article Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: mutant.sheepdog@gmail.com Newsgroups: gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals Subject: Re: Can we have beginner friendly new line and deprecate std::endl? 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Teaching people to use a separate std::endl doesn't teach people about strings, it teaches them about iostreams. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to std-proposals+unsubscribe@isocpp.org. To post to this group, send email to std-proposals@isocpp.org. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/isocpp.org/d/msgid/std-proposals/5d70ae59-7519-4db4-94cc-fadd1b13d467%40isocpp.org. ------=_Part_1664_1718384587.1541979090259 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Furthermore I think teaching \n naturally leads into = curiosity about how strings work, the fact that a 'char' is an inte= ger holding an ASCII value, that there are other special escape characters = like \t, and that you can escape integer literals for the other ones too.

Teaching people to use a separate std::endl doesn&#= 39;t teach people about strings, it teaches them about iostreams.
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