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I show my students that they should not use endl, except when they need it. Sent from Peter Sommerlad's iPad +41 79 432 23 32 > On 8 Nov 2018, at 23:43, Hyman Rosen wrote: > >> On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 5:08 PM Brian Bi wrote: >> I think the reason why novices use std::endl is that they're under the impression (no doubt perpetuated by incompetent educators) that std::endl is portable whereas '\n' isn't. > > I think novices use std::endl because that's how C++ formatted I/O > was presented for ages. I have the feeling, completely unsupported > by evidence, that the iostreams designers thought manipulators were > really keen, and wanted to have one that would always get used. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to std-proposals+unsubscribe@isocpp.org. > To post to this group, send email to std-proposals@isocpp.org. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/isocpp.org/d/msgid/std-proposals/CAHSYqdYYZjeHHbRZ5bcHLYVsWfspwCeQ8oxEDRbuJ8dqAtsX5A%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to std-proposals+unsubscribe@isocpp.org. To post to this group, send email to std-proposals@isocpp.org. 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On 8 Nov 2018, at 23:43, Hyman Rosen <hyman.rosen@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 5:08 PM Brian Bi <bbi5291@gmail.com> wrote:
I = think the reason why novices use std::endl is that they're under the impres= sion (no doubt perpetuated by incompetent educators) that std::endl is port= able whereas '\n' isn't.

I think nov= ices use std::endl because that's how C++ formatted I/O
was presented fo= r ages.  I have the feeling, completely unsupported
by evidence, th= at the iostreams designers thought manipulators were
really keen, and wa= nted to have one that would always get used.

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