220 40930 article Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Hyman Rosen Newsgroups: gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals Subject: Re: Can we have beginner friendly new line and deprecate std::endl? 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[209.85.220.41]) by mx.google.com with SMTPS id r124-v6sor3772568wmg.20.2018.11.08.14.43.19 for (Google Transport Security); Thu, 08 Nov 2018 14:43:19 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of hyman.rosen@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.41; X-Received: by 2002:a1c:a8c9:: with SMTP id r192-v6mr2520612wme.98.1541716998467; Thu, 08 Nov 2018 14:43:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: hyman.rosen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=J9Kti+jv; spf=pass (google.com: domain of hyman.rosen@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=hyman.rosen@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=QUARANTINE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list std-proposals@isocpp.org; contact std-proposals+owners@isocpp.org List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: std-proposals@isocpp.org X-Google-Group-Id: 399137483710 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals:40930 Archived-At: --00000000000009b7a3057a2ef6a0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 5:08 PM Brian Bi wrote: > I think the reason why novices use std::endl is that they're under the > impression (no doubt perpetuated by incompetent educators) that std::endl > is portable whereas '\n' isn't. > I think novices use std::endl because that's how C++ formatted I/O was presented for ages. I have the feeling, completely unsupported by evidence, that the iostreams designers thought manipulators were really keen, and wanted to have one that would always get used. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to std-proposals+unsubscribe@isocpp.org. To post to this group, send email to std-proposals@isocpp.org. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/isocpp.org/d/msgid/std-proposals/CAHSYqdYYZjeHHbRZ5bcHLYVsWfspwCeQ8oxEDRbuJ8dqAtsX5A%40mail.gmail.com. --00000000000009b7a3057a2ef6a0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Thu, Nov 8,= 2018 at 5:08 PM Brian Bi <bbi5291@= gmail.com> wrote:
I think the reason why novices use std::= endl is that they're under the impression (no doubt perpetuated by inco= mpetent educators) that std::endl is portable whereas '\n' isn'= t.

I think novices use std::endl bec= ause that's how C++ formatted I/O
was presented for ages.=C2=A0 I ha= ve the feeling, completely unsupported
by evidence, that the iostreams d= esigners thought manipulators were
really keen, and wanted to have one t= hat would always get used.

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