220 40862 <3d2368c0-6350-2c28-264a-d2e46918d02a@gmail.com> article Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Matthew Woehlke Newsgroups: gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals Subject: Re: Prep for C++ Standards meeting Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2018 14:56:21 -0400 Lines: 22 Approved: news@gmane.org Message-ID: <3d2368c0-6350-2c28-264a-d2e46918d02a@gmail.com> References: Reply-To: std-proposals@isocpp.org NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1541184860 24281 195.159.176.226 (2 Nov 2018 18:54:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2018 18:54:20 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.0 To: std-proposals@isocpp.org, Hyman Rosen Original-X-From: std-proposals+bncBC37LBFWUIFBBWN36LPAKGQEXQCYMXI@isocpp.org Fri Nov 02 19:54:16 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: gclcip-std-proposals@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from mail-qk1-f200.google.com ([209.85.222.200]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gIeaF-0006Cx-VD for gclcip-std-proposals@m.gmane.org; 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[66.194.253.20]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id i65sm33183728qkh.49.2018.11.02.11.56.21 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 02 Nov 2018 11:56:24 -0700 (PDT) Openpgp: preference=signencrypt In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US X-Original-Sender: mwoehlke.floss@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=dXRZWTJy; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mwoehlke.floss@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mwoehlke.floss@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=QUARANTINE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list std-proposals@isocpp.org; contact std-proposals+owners@isocpp.org List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: std-proposals@isocpp.org X-Google-Group-Id: 399137483710 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals:40862 Archived-At: On 02/11/2018 14.44, Hyman Rosen wrote: > The lesson I got is that if you take forever to get features in > place because you're forever polishing and improving them, you're > going to lose against opponents who are "building feverishly". I would have expressed it as 'chasing new (and unproven) features loses to making incremental improvements on what is existing and tested'. To give a more concrete example, using that story as a rationale I might argue that we *should* standardize something like `#pragma once` (an incremental improvement to "existing technology") and should *not* "get caught up in" modules (a new, untested thing with tons of bugs to be worked out). -- Matthew -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to std-proposals+unsubscribe@isocpp.org. To post to this group, send email to std-proposals@isocpp.org. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/isocpp.org/d/msgid/std-proposals/3d2368c0-6350-2c28-264a-d2e46918d02a%40gmail.com. .