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[209.85.220.41]) by mx.google.com with SMTPS id c5-v6sor4492322oia.79.2018.10.25.06.28.54 for (Google Transport Security); Thu, 25 Oct 2018 06:28:54 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of ville.voutilainen@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.41; X-Received: by 2002:aca:c351:: with SMTP id t78-v6mr486552oif.338.1540474133968; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 06:28:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: ville.voutilainen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=ZMWbPsfN; spf=pass (google.com: domain of ville.voutilainen@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ville.voutilainen@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=QUARANTINE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list std-proposals@isocpp.org; contact std-proposals+owners@isocpp.org List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: std-proposals@isocpp.org X-Google-Group-Id: 399137483710 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals:40731 Archived-At: On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 at 16:19, Peter Koch Larsen wrote: > > > > On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 2:54 PM Tony V E wrote: >> >> When you have a raw pointer, ownership is not (typically) obvious. >> > > Well... writing modern C++ (in my sense of modern) it is. A raw pointer is newer owned. This is, to me, a fairly astonishing part of what some call "modern" C++. Instead of enforcing semantics with a type, they are loosely agreed on by an unenforceable convention. That seems like a massive step backwards, instead of being modern. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to std-proposals+unsubscribe@isocpp.org. To post to this group, send email to std-proposals@isocpp.org. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/isocpp.org/d/msgid/std-proposals/CAFk2RUYpP2AkfJeU_COZJSLo5A_LNXftkXm8hn2x8CGc8m_DGw%40mail.gmail.com. .