220 40077 article Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Jake Arkinstall Newsgroups: gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals Subject: Re: Re: Named Parameters for C++ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 17:08:36 +0100 Lines: 67 Approved: news@gmane.org Message-ID: References: <5d064165-5a58-4810-90f7-aa3732be92db@isocpp.org> <60449422-b543-4949-557a-96435c1c2926@technion.ac.il> <3e50834d-2e56-392f-fe30-8c24769d7647@gmail.com> <44b180b7-9c2f-48fe-9cf5-5b803b45f460@isocpp.org> <0341abf7-070d-4dd6-88d3-b7072b991cd4@isocpp.org> <0fe2a8da-3442-edbe-7bdf-40d6b1c90d1b@gmail.com> <28f2a655-1a1b-4386-9f76-c16ddb1647e6@isocpp.org> <4f02dc49-5945-f245-c7ca-76d2d9ab83be@gmail.com> <8693c5c4-d544-1ee0-ae12-b3c2f5c1537f@gmail.com> Reply-To: std-proposals@isocpp.org NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000007632f40574810eb9" X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1535472407 19451 195.159.176.226 (28 Aug 2018 16:06:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 16:06:47 +0000 (UTC) To: std-proposals@isocpp.org Original-X-From: std-proposals+bncBDCZX3WUUQFRBDXHSXOAKGQEXPQYYIQ@isocpp.org Tue Aug 28 18:06:42 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: gclcip-std-proposals@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from mail-io0-f199.google.com ([209.85.223.199]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fugVp-0004rR-GJ for gclcip-std-proposals@m.gmane.org; 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[209.85.220.41]) by mx.google.com with SMTPS id 196-v6sor631726itl.137.2018.08.28.09.08.46 for (Google Transport Security); Tue, 28 Aug 2018 09:08:46 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jake.arkinstall@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.41; X-Received: by 2002:a24:37d2:: with SMTP id r201-v6mr2062027itr.113.1535472525781; Tue, 28 Aug 2018 09:08:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8693c5c4-d544-1ee0-ae12-b3c2f5c1537f@gmail.com> X-Original-Sender: jake.arkinstall@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=PXWdOnCj; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jake.arkinstall@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jake.arkinstall@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=QUARANTINE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list std-proposals@isocpp.org; contact std-proposals+owners@isocpp.org List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: std-proposals@isocpp.org X-Google-Group-Id: 399137483710 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals:40077 Archived-At: --0000000000007632f40574810eb9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Tue, 28 Aug 2018, 16:59 Matthew Woehlke, wrote: > There are multiple points > on which different parties hold conflicting views and, to all > appearances, are not willing to budge from those positions. This is exactly why this proposal is so controversial. I don't imagine that the committee will be any less resistant. That's why I suggested that we just allow named-member initialization of structs and allow library devs to accept structs - ones that could in future be automagically created by adding a keyword to a function - when they want this functionality. I don't imagine that we will ever make any progress by introducing something at the function level, and named-member struct initialization solves reordering without butchering the language. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to std-proposals+unsubscribe@isocpp.org. To post to this group, send email to std-proposals@isocpp.org. 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On Tue, = 28 Aug 2018, 16:59 Matthew Woehlke, <mwoehlke.floss@gmail.com> wrote:
=C2=A0There are multiple points
on which different parties hold conflicting views and, to all
appearances, are not willing to budge from those positions.

This is exactly why = this proposal is so controversial. I don't imagine that the committee w= ill be any less resistant.

That's why I suggested that we just allow named-member initializatio= n of structs and allow library devs to accept structs - ones that could in = future be automagically created by adding a keyword to a function - when th= ey want this functionality. I don't imagine that we will ever make any = progress by introducing something at the function level, and named-member s= truct initialization solves reordering without butchering the language.

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