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Please do not forget that you can define your own types that= are as efficient as the built -ins without their negative features, except= where you need code to sidestep the negative features like integer overflo= w internally. Get rid of primitive obsession, especially in multi-parameter functions. Sent from Peter Sommerlad's iPad +41 79 432 23 32 > On 27 Aug 2018, at 19:55, Hyman Rosen wrote: >=20 >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 1:33 PM Matthew Woehlke wrote: >> I suppose this is part of the problem; different people have different >> priorities, which can conflict violently. >=20 > My heuristic is, if Ada did it that way, someone sensible thought very > hard about it and decided it was a good idea. So unless there's some > essential reason why the Ada approach is wrong for C++, I tend to just > go with that. > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an= email to std-proposals+unsubscribe@isocpp.org. > To post to this group, send email to std-proposals@isocpp.org. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/isoc= pp.org/d/msgid/std-proposals/CAHSYqda04B%2BFukj64i-4d__EW27dZ6g5xNYhVEGOut_= bdywmAQ%40mail.gmail.com. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to std-proposals+unsubscribe@isocpp.org. To post to this group, send email to std-proposals@isocpp.org. 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Get ri= d of primitive obsession, especially in multi-parameter functions.

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On 27 Aug 2018, at 19:5= 5, Hyman Rosen <hyman.rosen@gma= il.com> wrote:

On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 1= :33 PM Matthew Woehlke <mwoe= hlke.floss@gmail.com> wrote:
I suppose this is part of the problem; different people have different
priorities, which can conflict violently.

My heuri= stic is, if Ada did it that way, someone sensible thought very
hard abou= t it and decided it was a good idea.  So unless there's some
essent= ial reason why the Ada approach is wrong for C++, I tend to just
go with= that.

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