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It is > obvious that the declaration with auto is easier to read. > Is it? I find "Let there be a variable of type `Type` called `x`" works just as well. We can't do this with member variables or with function parameters. I'd > like a future C++ to have types on the right side everywhere. > So, you're suggesting that we use precious syntax for notation. This won't increase the capabilities of any C++ program; it simply changes how things are declared. Yeah, that's not really worth the cost. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to std-proposals+unsubscribe@isocpp.org. To post to this group, send email to std-proposals@isocpp.org. 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On Friday, August 10, 2018 at 9:20:49 AM UTC-4, Di= mitrij Mijoski wrote:
In C++11 and onward we can declare a variable with and without aut= o.

Type x;
auto x =3D Type();
<= br>In English we would read both as: Let x be a variable of type Type. It i= s obvious that the declaration with auto is easier to read.

Is it? I find "Let there be a variable of type = `Type` called `x`" works just as well.

We can't do this= with member variables or with function parameters. I'd like a future C= ++ to have types on the right side everywhere.
<= br>
So, you're suggesting that we use precious syntax for not= ation. This won't increase the capabilities of any C++ program; it simp= ly changes how things are declared.

Yeah, that'= ;s not really worth the cost.

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