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They are a > language reflection of the underlying CPU behavior. You keep saying that, despite that AFAICT the majority of folks involved in C++ development and compiler writing disagree. Please cite your sources. > People have written code that you don't like. That's too bad for you, not > for them. So... compilers should be forbidden from making my *good* code faster, because someone, somewhere, wrote *bad* code? That's dumb. While we're at it, let's just stop fixing bugs, because someone, somewhere, is relying on that behavior. (ahem: https://xkcd.com/1172/) > You seem to have trouble differentiating between my understanding of the > language and my belief that the design decisions of the language are wrong. You seem to have trouble accepting that not everyone agrees with your belief that the design decisions of the language are wrong. > I can blame other people when their actions change the compilation model > (say, from "bag of bits" to "assume undefined behavior does not happen"). Let's say you buy a power drill. The manual for the drill clearly states that it is not to be used to drill concrete. Ignoring the manual, you try it anyway, and it works... until the motor burns out prematurely. Now, when this happens, do you blame the manufacturer? -- Matthew -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to std-proposals+unsubscribe@isocpp.org. To post to this group, send email to std-proposals@isocpp.org. 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