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If you add if check for [], that would encourage people continue to use c-style-array for better performance. You have to do everything to make people not have a reason to write their own version of container (for doing the same thing). On Saturday, October 14, 2017 at 10:36:19 AM UTC-4, Jan Wilmans wrote: > would be a breaking change, defeats the purpose of [] and is easy to write > if you need it... > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to std-proposals+unsubscribe@isocpp.org. To post to this group, send email to std-proposals@isocpp.org. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/isocpp.org/d/msgid/std-proposals/5c1bc3ef-c3a2-4406-8a7a-f82e12155386%40isocpp.org. ------=_Part_3067_883668400.1507993349176 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The main purpose of C++ containers is to compete with= other C style/OOP style implementation. If you add if check for [], that w= ould encourage people continue to use c-style-array for better performance.=

You have to do everything to make people not have= a reason to write their own version of container (for doing the same thing= ).

On Saturday, October 14, 2017 at 10:36:19 AM UTC-4, Jan Wilmans w= rote:
<= div>would be a breaking change, defeats the purpose of [] and is easy to wr= ite if you need it...

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