220 33801 article Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Ville Voutilainen Newsgroups: gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals Subject: Re: Re: properties? 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[2607:f8b0:400c:c08::244]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k12si3596457vke.264.2017.08.10.09.59.59 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 10 Aug 2017 09:59:59 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of ville.voutilainen@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c08::244 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400c:c08::244; Original-Received: by mail-ua0-x244.google.com with SMTP id d29so679170uai.2 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2017 09:59:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.159.37.70 with SMTP id 64mr7911995uaz.195.1502384399354; Thu, 10 Aug 2017 09:59:59 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.103.103.65 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Aug 2017 09:59:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <17b1a3ed-1590-21ce-328d-053b86d6fc0b@gmail.com> X-Original-Sender: ville.voutilainen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=JbvhLdBj; spf=pass (google.com: domain of ville.voutilainen@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c08::244 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ville.voutilainen@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list std-proposals@isocpp.org; contact std-proposals+owners@isocpp.org List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 399137483710 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals:33801 Archived-At: On 10 August 2017 at 19:53, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > On 2017-08-10 12:36, Ville Voutilainen wrote: >> On 10 August 2017 at 19:35, Matthew Woehlke wrote: >>> I don't think *reflection* can help with CRTP... *metaclasses* on the >>> other hand... >> >> I consider code generation a part of reflection. Introspection is >> different, and more limited. :P > > Ah, I see... language impedance ;-). > > (I suspect Nicol and I have the same "understanding" of what > "reflection" means... i.e. to us, P0707 *builds on* reflection, but > isn't *part of* reflection.) Well, what is part of reflection remains to be seen. We don't have anything published yet, and there's been some serious thought to go towards something that's less template-y than the first reflection proposals were. In addition to that, we are seriously looking into what code generating compile-time facilities should be like (and look like). It seems clear that we want code transformation and generation capabilities. Whether metaclasses will be part of that picture is another matter. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to std-proposals+unsubscribe@isocpp.org. 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