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[66.194.253.20]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id t74sm3725843qke.85.2017.08.10.09.53.54 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 10 Aug 2017 09:53:55 -0700 (PDT) Content-Language: en-US X-Original-Sender: mwoehlke.floss@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=BZriKcV3; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mwoehlke.floss@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::22e as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mwoehlke.floss@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list std-proposals@isocpp.org; contact std-proposals+owners@isocpp.org List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 399137483710 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals:33800 Archived-At: On 2017-08-10 12:36, Ville Voutilainen wrote: > On 10 August 2017 at 19:35, Matthew Woehlke wrote: >> I don't think *reflection* can help with CRTP... *metaclasses* on the >> other hand... > > I consider code generation a part of reflection. Introspection is > different, and more limited. :P Ah, I see... language impedance ;-). (I suspect Nicol and I have the same "understanding" of what "reflection" means... i.e. to us, P0707 *builds on* reflection, but isn't *part of* reflection.) -- Matthew -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to std-proposals+unsubscribe@isocpp.org. To post to this group, send email to std-proposals@isocpp.org. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/isocpp.org/d/msgid/std-proposals/17b1a3ed-1590-21ce-328d-053b86d6fc0b%40gmail.com. .