220 33725 article Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Nicol Bolas Newsgroups: gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals Subject: Re: Re: string_view for fstream::open() Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2017 08:27:10 -0700 (PDT) Lines: 87 Approved: news@gmane.org Message-ID: References: <3050218.VQ5TFqK1h4@tjmaciei-mobl1> Reply-To: std-proposals@isocpp.org NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_5659_140491240.1502292430426" X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1502292431 31299 195.159.176.226 (9 Aug 2017 15:27:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2017 15:27:11 +0000 (UTC) To: ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals Original-X-From: std-proposals+bncBCEKFTV6ZUMBBT6TVTGAKGQEPROZ5DI@isocpp.org Wed Aug 09 17:27:06 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: gclcip-std-proposals@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from mail-yw0-f198.google.com ([209.85.161.198]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dfSsz-0007tr-TY for gclcip-std-proposals@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Aug 2017 17:27:06 +0200 Original-Received: by mail-yw0-f198.google.com with SMTP id n140sf104883741ywd.13 for ; Wed, 09 Aug 2017 08:27:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=isocpp-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=v2K/xjq5TeSAaMSpy+xAjUq98KXVMqhMHYn1EB3pOEs=; b=xK7mvvX2fNEQkY/+s511SDn4NJHyAAZXcdIsLvDh8hbWnoiLaKALgmnpwKkYBS/VZ6 1xqDu7eZonHG7T807TKv11mO9CwRN5yucl9lMBcQefpmYIeh78ZyqHGyxodxOk4ucBa5 lmHYzju5//msZ1qjnY5S7ExBPFxr7z/aGAiH9OgHlEJYdAD1LpYd/QGoAiRJPIVfsvLr rmIM084ULPGQH05M3UX4BmHpaF9fRjREy15WqqU7qWuCpZ/7Ng0cwZURkzD74m/aSwxC JVFbJ9UBm8gM2V+RDt0c9P3yS9O7wQHJinRt9texFsrIcYHAKPEOOeZQQk3BI88hzWVH kAug== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=v2K/xjq5TeSAaMSpy+xAjUq98KXVMqhMHYn1EB3pOEs=; b=j0c0Z+vI7YUB1Azmi3B0iP1k7xgcSce6hw/kZRxHgU5vjlnp9PCQmsYsup/6gMw6Fr EVOeplrbQv3a42ns/MiHZYfrJgMBvsmsVhk9T0AK8cEcfL78TFp6uKvojSFaw3xYTL5K CsjUX/rU4rRxgErWYfMNRzESUDdk66AIPJhaGphHRm6NkwTuQYZnbft8Bp4RI0Thb6WD oEgORfAm82qjlrSThBfdnzKULcWaiLsnFN8LW+MyMJ2rDj6hPy7JTnWOeABfGa3TzWle am491DE1qMVjevDzSc9pXRILtCQGYs78ZX5CCbCm7eOOcSpTsrfJpCzPrCdjO6x8ZHtP Igeg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references :subject:mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group:list-post:list-help :list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=v2K/xjq5TeSAaMSpy+xAjUq98KXVMqhMHYn1EB3pOEs=; b=ZpMVcVNX1AU9Y7reghm/UtbwFOWXIOFRZ62uE+FTcTS0lrpmsFWhgBgapynvhflEox oyrz72BNqGA6gnxbewpgpoSlk1DAdSohFVShUSww1RjVGu2GE4q4L2fofdFL2tiroOQ5 NUbvSsotJ9DpWhuYXU+285rCzaSwe/uBqc3NGKydet0lWhlTc9G6hFQPfv3OIA0diB4f lglLVNY7Rb9F/qV4HBP7/yIH6dmEJq2r4nPpvcyO9uc5i3vuOjt0qA/EuY9M0am8kswn M3+TvppandMnH0M+cDBuTGCQ0AmkQCpBQXOEwTuL1snUcS3vbyWGydPbdXHziis+Z1uK pypg== X-Gm-Message-State: AHYfb5hfE3e2znGgN3jFK8UcoZg2eAPMD8fxkcajqlTVJhw0vyDvDJys j09hpVTHMbNeyVR2 X-Received: by 10.129.132.135 with SMTP id u129mr5242193ywf.106.1502292432158; Wed, 09 Aug 2017 08:27:12 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: std-proposals@isocpp.org Original-Received: by 10.107.180.215 with SMTP id d206ls5682845iof.31.gmail; Wed, 09 Aug 2017 08:27:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.31.191.67 with SMTP id p64mr43982vkf.4.1502292430897; Wed, 09 Aug 2017 08:27:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3050218.VQ5TFqK1h4@tjmaciei-mobl1> X-Original-Sender: jmckesson@gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list std-proposals@isocpp.org; contact std-proposals+owners@isocpp.org List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 399137483710 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals:33725 Archived-At: ------=_Part_5659_140491240.1502292430426 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5660_1539777604.1502292430427" ------=_Part_5660_1539777604.1502292430427 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 11:04:17 AM UTC-4, Thiago Macieira wrote: > > On Wednesday, 9 August 2017 03:13:50 PDT Julian Watzinger wrote: > > Quite unfortunate Its one thing to have a c-style API, which I > > personally dislike when compared to modern C++; but to have the API > > rrestrict the input-data in such a way... I'll still hope that at some > > point, now that we actually have string_view, people will start to see > this > > as a necessity > > Do you mean those C developers developing C API? Including people actively > hostile to C++, like Linus Torvalds? > > When do you think they will see std::string_view as a necessity? > It's not about making them adopt `string_view` specifically. It's more about them taking string+length. Right now, those APIs *require* NUL-termination of strings. But there are some C APIs that take a string+length. Lua, for example. OpenGL's shader APIs are another example. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to std-proposals+unsubscribe@isocpp.org. To post to this group, send email to std-proposals@isocpp.org. 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On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 11:04:17 AM UTC-4,= Thiago Macieira wrote:
On Wedn= esday, 9 August 2017 03:13:50 PDT Julian Watzinger wrote:
> Quite unfortunate =C2=A0Its one thing to have a c-style API, which= I
> personally dislike when compared to modern C++; but to have the AP= I
> rrestrict the input-data in such a way... I'll still hope that= at some
> point, now that we actually have string_view, people will start to= see this
> as a necessity=20

Do you mean those C developers developing C API? Including people activ= ely=20
hostile to C++, like Linus Torvalds?

When do you think they will see std::string_view as a necessity?

It's not about making them adopt `string_view= ` specifically. It's more about them taking string+length. Right now, t= hose APIs require NUL-termination of strings.

But there are s= ome C APIs that take a string+length. Lua, for example. OpenGL's shader= APIs are another example.

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