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On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 3:10 PM, Nicol Bolas wrote: > On Sunday, August 6, 2017 at 1:30:04 PM UTC-4, Phil Bouchard wrote: >> >> And a patent, I think, takes years to get which is a little bit >> counterproductive in the software industry. >> > > Some might argue that patents themselves are "counterproductive in the > software industry", but that is neither here nor there. This discussion > does raises an interesting question, however. > > The C++ standard specifies behavior, not implementation. As such, what > goes into the standard is not something that is patentable (I think?). > However, implementation techniques could be patentable, and behavior is > often informed by implementation techniques. As such, if the best (or only) > technique for implementing a feature is encumbered by patents, and we know > that even before standardizing it, is that something we *want* to > standardize? > > I certainly don't like the idea of C++ implementations being required to > pay money or otherwise license something from a 3rd party just so that they > can implement the standard with reasonable quality. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to std-proposals+unsubscribe@isocpp.org. > To post to this group, send email to std-proposals@isocpp.org. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/ > isocpp.org/d/msgid/std-proposals/7adbfe8e-13f9-42d9- > 8916-e89456fc9d7f%40isocpp.org > > . > -- Be seeing you, Tony -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. 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ISO has rules about IP that cover this.
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On Sun, Aug= 6, 2017 at 3:10 PM, Nicol Bolas <jmckesson@gmail.com> wro= te:
On = Sunday, August 6, 2017 at 1:30:04 PM UTC-4, Phil Bouchard wrote:
And a patent, I think, takes = years to get which is a little bit counterproductive in the software indust= ry.

Some might argue that patents the= mselves are "counterproductive in the software industry", but tha= t is neither here nor there. This discussion does raises an interesting que= stion, however.

The C++ standard=20 specifies behavior, not implementation. As such, what goes into the standar= d is not something that is patentable (I think?). However, implementation t= echniques could be patentable, and behavior is often informed by implementa= tion techniques. As such, if the best (or only) technique for implementing = a feature is encumbered by patents, and we know that even before standardiz= ing it, is that=20 something we want to standardize?

I certainly don't like = the idea of C++ implementations being required to pay money or otherwise li= cense something from a 3rd party just so that they can implement the standa= rd with reasonable quality.

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