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We told them to stay out of this > area, and they didn't. Their code breaking is not our fault, nor is it on > us to stay out of their way. >=20 > Now, one thing that's important in this regard is that we should do a stu= dy > on the impact of this change on standard library implementations. Since w= e > would obviously be taking away one of their identifiers. I'm not saying we should avoid __. I'm saying that the paper needs to be updated to indicate that the reserved= =20 identifier is used and therefore we know we will cause breakage, regardless= of=20 who is to blame. --=20 Thiago Macieira - thiago (AT) macieira.info - thiago (AT) kde.org Software Architect - Intel Open Source Technology Center --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to std-proposals+unsubscribe@isocpp.org. 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