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Also note, owner<> and not_null<> do *not* have these also! I don't propose changing the name, because I don't believe observer_ptr existence is justified. Not after 3+ years of evangelism how "row pointers are just fine, you should use them for non-owners", something I *completely* agree! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to std-proposals+unsubscribe@isocpp.org. To post to this group, send email to std-proposals@isocpp.org. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/isocpp.org/d/msgid/std-proposals/7d817482-e7c3-4724-9501-738d4c9083d7%40isocpp.org. ------=_Part_2447_1033507570.1476796084310 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In any case, for a smart pointer,=C2=A0reset and rele= ase are lifetime management interfaces.

obs= erver_ptr changes this.

Also note, owner<> = and not_null<> do not have these also!

I don't propose changing the name, because I don't believe obser= ver_ptr existence is justified.
Not after 3+ years of evangelism= how "row=C2=A0pointers are just fine, you should use them for non-own= ers", something I completely agree!

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