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[2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::233]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 88si10949400iop.72.2016.10.18.04.53.56 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 18 Oct 2016 04:53:56 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of ville.voutilainen@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::233 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::233; Original-Received: by mail-it0-x233.google.com with SMTP id 139so70817419itm.1 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2016 04:53:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.36.69.232 with SMTP id c101mr12004736itd.14.1476791636061; Tue, 18 Oct 2016 04:53:56 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.36.28.200 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Oct 2016 04:53:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8a6731f7-1c9b-482d-817e-c2374fc9ae1b@isocpp.org> X-Original-Sender: ville.voutilainen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of ville.voutilainen@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::233 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ville.voutilainen@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list std-proposals@isocpp.org; contact std-proposals+owners@isocpp.org List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 399137483710 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals:28933 Archived-At: On 18 October 2016 at 13:03, wrote: > I was surprised to see > http://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/experimental/observer_ptr > > I though, it was settled, raw pointers will be serving as non-owning > pointers? (and use references, as well not_null<> and owner<> to cover > corner cases and legacy) I don't know what authority settled that point for every codebase on the planet. > Also, observer_ptr is not without problems too. > > For instance, it has lifetime management API (reset, release) although it > does not manage lifetime! > Right now if you see reset or release in code, it means the object lifetime > has been altered - either deleted, a ref dropped or no longer managed. > observer_ptr will change that for the worse - these will start to mean > something different. I don't consider reset and release to necessarily manage lifetime. > Also, it can be well misleading, it monitors object lifetime - after all > other smart pointers control lifetime, this one is probably just observing > it. It doesn't observe lifetime. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. 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