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[78.47.120.188]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id q59si4500988qtd.87.2016.10.12.11.27.58 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2016 11:27:58 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of thiago@macieira.org designates 78.47.120.188 as permitted sender) client-ip=78.47.120.188; Original-Received: from tjmaciei-mobl1.localnet (unknown [134.134.139.77]) by gondolin.macieira.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0098011A6F2 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2016 11:27:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: thiago@macieira.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of thiago@macieira.org designates 78.47.120.188 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=thiago@macieira.org Precedence: list Mailing-list: list std-proposals@isocpp.org; contact std-proposals+owners@isocpp.org List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 399137483710 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals:28746 Archived-At: Em quarta-feira, 12 de outubro de 2016, =C3=A0s 21:17:30 CEST, Ville Voutil= ainen=20 escreveu: > But what does that have to do with Cairo? The company I work for did > graphics optimization > work for mobile devices that ran Cairo over OpenGL-ES2 in 2012-2013, > and the end result > was not buggier than a cpu-based raster renderer and performance-wise > it ran rings round > a software renderer. >=20 > Sure, there is some impedance mismatch, but that didn't seem to hurt > Cairo being fast at 2D rendering on GLES2 hardware. I'm not doubting that. Yes, there's a lot that you can do with the hardware= to=20 accelerate some operations. But you can't get the most out of the hardware with that impedance mismatch= ..=20 The whole point is that we should design an API that *can* get the most out= of=20 the hardware, not one we know won't be able to. > > In 2010, after investigating Cairo, we investigated what Clutter does > > (COGL), and redesigned everything. The product was that is the core of > > the QtQuick module: the scene graph. That was first released in Qt 5.0 = -- > > it is, quite in fact, one of the two reasons why we switched from 4.x t= o > > 5.x. > >=20 > > So if you want a good API to base on for graphics, look into that. You = can > > skip the QML bits, just the core scene graph is fine. >=20 > You're more than welcome to let SG13 know about these insights. :) We did, when it formed. --=20 Thiago Macieira - thiago (AT) macieira.info - thiago (AT) kde.org Software Architect - Intel Open Source Technology Center --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to std-proposals+unsubscribe@isocpp.org. To post to this group, send email to std-proposals@isocpp.org. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/isocpp= ..org/d/msgid/std-proposals/8738394.lVZcBSLVcz%40tjmaciei-mobl1. .