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[2a00:1450:400c:c09::229]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id xq6si22529700wjb.273.2016.08.06.07.10.41 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 06 Aug 2016 07:10:41 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of db0451@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c09::229 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c09::229; Original-Received: by mail-wm0-x229.google.com with SMTP id q128so61656336wma.1 for ; Sat, 06 Aug 2016 07:10:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.194.48.39 with SMTP id i7mr84184055wjn.173.1470492640986; Sat, 06 Aug 2016 07:10:40 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.28.15.15 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Aug 2016 07:10:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: db0451@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of db0451@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c09::229 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=db0451@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list std-proposals@isocpp.org; contact std-proposals+owners@isocpp.org List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 399137483710 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals:27646 Archived-At: --047d7bacb18e82d426053967bf7d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Viacheslav Usov wrote: > On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 8:59 PM, D. B. wrote: > > > I still maintain that situations where qualifying a name is viewed as > unbearably tedious (key word:) usually indicate questionable design and a > prime opportunity to refactor... such as by making the code into an > instance method and using the real *this*. ;-) > > If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. > Do you think this analogy works for you? I'd say it's better suited to you and this thread. Giving an orthogonal meaning to *this* is a huge new hammer with which to confuse coders or tempt them to overuse - and one for which I don't see a real need. So I've not got a hammer in this debate. Or did you mean something else? 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On S= at, Aug 6, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Viacheslav Usov <via.usov@gmail.com>= wrote:
On Fri, Aug 5= , 2016 at 8:59 PM, D. B. <db0451@gmail.com> wrote:

> I still mai= ntain that situations where qualifying a name is viewed as unbearably tedio= us (key word:) usually indicate questionable design and a prime opportunity= to refactor... such as by making the code into an instance method and usin= g the real this. ;-)

If all you have is a hammer, everything looks = like a nail.

Do you think= this analogy works for you? I'd say it's better suited to you and = this thread. Giving an orthogonal meaning to this is a huge new hamm= er with which to confuse coders or tempt them to overuse - and one for whic= h I don't see a real need. So I've not got a hammer in this debate.= Or did you mean something else?

We can agree to disagree, but read = naively (which I might well be doing), this is an ill-fitting analogy that = implies I'm some unsophisticated coder who just waves around a hammer, = instead of seeing the genius of your proposed scalpel, or whatever you thin= k this is.

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