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My intention on= =20 the other thread is to re-think all the looping concepts of C++, possibly= =20 by getting feedback from other languages' users and come up with a set of= =20 possible extensions like a tick list. This includes schematics *and*=20 syntax. That way, when/if we'll propose it to the Std's Committee, they'll= =20 have options rather than me myself saying what's the best solution. That said, don't expect that thread to be quick. I'd rather make a proper= =20 proposal once than 20 revisions. Regards, -lorro 2016. j=C3=BAlius 26., kedd 16:34:13 UTC+2 id=C5=91pontban gmis...@gmail.co= m a=20 k=C3=B6vetkez=C5=91t =C3=ADrta: > > > > On Wednesday, July 27, 2016 at 12:44:15 AM UTC+12, Viacheslav Usov wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 11:15 PM, wrote: >> >> > I think we are in agreement that lambda's don't seem to be solve this= =20 >> problem as cleanly as we'd like. >> >> I think you have not demonstrated what "this problem" really is. This is= =20 >> probably what the others in this thread have said. >> >> You seem to want some new syntax for some very rare use case, not becaus= e=20 >> the current language means cannot handle that case, but because you disl= ike=20 >> those means, and, as far as I can tell, you have not given any substanti= al=20 >> technical reasons for your dislike. I doubt this will be universally=20 >> regarded as a problem worth fixing. >> >> Cheers, >> V. >> > > There is nothing more to state because the idea isn't complex. It is what= =20 > it appears be - a simple syntax for a small problem where the existing=20 > syntax is workable but clumsy. If you're just saying you and the=20 > majority so far think it' isn't a problem worth fixing, I agree that's wh= at=20 > they are saying and what I expected. But the idea is simple as is the=20 > problem so if it doesn't sell it self, it won't, so I won't defend it=20 > because it's pointless given what I believe. If people like the idea,=20 > great, if they don't, ok too, just argue amongst yourselves about it. If= =20 > people get beyond just saying they don't like the idea or mischaracterisi= ng=20 > what I said to begin with on the subject, I might join the conversation= =20 > later, but until some more interesting is said, leave me out of it. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to std-proposals+unsubscribe@isocpp.org. To post to this group, send email to std-proposals@isocpp.org. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/isocpp= ..org/d/msgid/std-proposals/9726d095-5beb-4550-8951-0ff8cca5ac12%40isocpp.or= g. ------=_Part_111_55776959.1469717417849 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

Just to jump in :), I was the one who wrote the= other idea-for-proposal mail and I'd be more than happy to merge the t= wo threads. My intention on the other thread is to re-think all the looping= concepts of C++, possibly by getting feedback from other languages' us= ers and come up with a set of possible extensions like a tick list. This in= cludes schematics and syntax. That way, when/if we'll propose it= to the Std's Committee, they'll have options rather than me myself= saying what's the best solution.
That said, don't expect that t= hread to be quick. I'd rather make a proper proposal once than 20 revis= ions.

Regards,
-lorro

2016. j=C3=BAlius 26., kedd 16:34:13= UTC+2 id=C5=91pontban gmis...@gmail.com a k=C3=B6vetkez=C5=91t =C3=ADrta:<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;bord= er-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">


On Wed= nesday, July 27, 2016 at 12:44:15 AM UTC+12, Viacheslav Usov wrote:
On Mon, Jul 25, 2= 016 at 11:15 PM, <gmis...@gmail.c= om> wrote:

> I think we are in agre= ement=C2=A0that=C2=A0lambda's don't seem to be=C2=A0solve=C2=A0this= problem as cleanly as we'd like.

I think you = have not demonstrated what "this problem" really is. This is prob= ably what the others in this thread have said.

You= seem to want some new syntax for some very rare use case, not because the = current language means cannot handle that case, but because you dislike tho= se means, and, as far as I can tell, you have not given any substantial tec= hnical reasons for your dislike. I doubt this will be universally regarded = as a problem worth fixing.

Cheers,
V.

There is nothing=C2= =A0more to state because=C2=A0the idea isn't complex.=C2=A0It is what i= t appears be -=C2=A0a simple syntax for a small problem where the existing = syntax is workable but clumsy.=C2=A0If you're just saying you and the m= ajority=C2=A0so far think it' isn't a=C2=A0problem=C2=A0worth=C2=A0= fixing,=C2=A0I agree that's what they are saying and what I expected.= =C2=A0But the idea is simple=C2=A0as is the problem=C2=A0so if it doesn'= ;t=C2=A0sell it self,=C2=A0it won't, so I won't defend it because i= t's=C2=A0pointless given what I believe. If people like the idea, great= , if they don't, ok too, just argue amongst yourselves about it. If peo= ple get beyond=C2=A0just saying they don't like=C2=A0the idea=C2=A0or m= ischaracterising what I said to begin with on the subject,=C2=A0I might joi= n the conversation later, but until some more interesting is said, leave me= out of it.

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