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[2a00:1450:400c:c09::230]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b10si3247979wjy.240.2016.07.07.06.05.28 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 07 Jul 2016 06:05:28 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: softfail (google.com: domain of transitioning admin@griwes.info does not designate 2a00:1450:400c:c09::230 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c09::230; Original-Received: by mail-wm0-x230.google.com with SMTP id n127so15594823wme.1 for ; Thu, 07 Jul 2016 06:05:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.28.156.87 with SMTP id f84mr18547457wme.86.1467896728562; Thu, 07 Jul 2016 06:05:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: griwes@griwes.info X-Original-Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@griwes-info.20150623.gappssmtp.com; spf=softfail (google.com: domain of transitioning admin@griwes.info does not designate 2a00:1450:400c:c09::230 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=admin@griwes.info Precedence: list Mailing-list: list std-proposals@isocpp.org; contact std-proposals+owners@isocpp.org List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: std-proposals@isocpp.org X-Google-Group-Id: 399137483710 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals:26611 Archived-At: --001a114ba97a12cb3f05370b573d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 2:53 PM smilingthax via ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals wrote: > On Wednesday, July 6, 2016 at 3:25:22 AM UTC+2, Nicol Bolas wrote: >> >> Things don't get standardized because someone posts a suggestion in a >> mailing list. Things get standardized because someone puts work and effort >> into it, pushing it forward at actual standards meetings. >> > > Sure. But not all of us are in a position to participate in standards > meetings. > You don't need to participate in a meeting yourself; all you'd need to do is 1) write a paper (and yes, this is considered effort, and if you really want something, you should put that effort into it), and 2) find somebody to champion the proposal. You are saying there's a lot of people wanting this (frankly I agree, myself included), which should mean that finding a champion for this shouldn't be very hard. But the very first step in finding a champion is actually writing a paper, so that people may look at what is the actual thing you are proposing, what's the rationale, what problems it solves, ..., and possibly get interested in it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. 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On Thu, Jul 7,= 2016 at 2:53 PM smilingthax via ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals <std-proposals@isocpp.org> = wrote:
On Wednesda= y, July 6, 2016 at 3:25:22 AM UTC+2, Nicol Bolas wrote:
Things don't get standardized= because someone posts a suggestion in a mailing list. Things get standardi= zed because someone puts work and effort into it, pushing it forward at act= ual standards meetings.

Sure. But not all of us are in a position to participat= e in standards meetings.
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You = don't need to participate in a meeting yourself; all you'd need to = do is 1) write a paper (and yes, this is considered effort, and if you real= ly want something, you should put that effort into it), and 2) find somebod= y to champion the proposal. You are saying there's a lot of people want= ing this (frankly I agree, myself included), which should mean that finding= a champion for this shouldn't be very hard.

B= ut the very first step in finding a champion is actually writing a paper, s= o that people may look at what is the actual thing you are proposing, what&= #39;s the rationale, what problems it solves, ..., and possibly get interes= ted in it.

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