220 26163 <62b7649a-5de5-4330-9bac-708375d36e2c@isocpp.org> article Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: alexander.zywicki@gmail.com Newsgroups: gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals Subject: Re: Any interest to adding audio support to the std library? 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The interface should also allow me, the >=20 > > developer, to work with the media (e.g. create my own audio or image >=20 > > filter or a new codec or a new device driver). >=20 >=20 >=20 > That I agree with. >=20 >=20 >=20 > But should the standard mandate that there should be at least one? How do= es >=20 > someone write a plugin to the C++ Standard Library? Will we now mandate t= his >=20 > kind of ability? >=20 >=20 >=20 > Yes. We already do this with things like the random engines. >=20 >=20 > If not, then will there be a requirement that the C++ library vendor prov= ide >=20 > it? If so, please think carefully how Apple should code libc++ to work on= iOS. >=20 >=20 >=20 > WebCrypto has an example of=C2=A0navigating a legal minefield for impleme= nters. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Also remember to leave the legal speculation to lawyers. It's good to hav= e the heads-up that "hey lawyers should look at this", but anything more is= unwise. >=20 >=20 > Again, I think this is not material for the C++ Standard Library. >=20 >=20 > I think it's a great area for the C++ library to expand into. I'm definit= ely worried about the expertise of the people writing the proposal (e.g. if= I proposed an audio library for C++, I should be laughed off the stage), b= ut we can overcome that by asking well-known audio users for their opinions= before standardizing the proposal. >=20 >=20 > Jeffrey I agree about the issue of expertise. By no means would I call myself an ex= pert, but I have a degree in audio engineering and a pretty solid grasp of = the c++ language. Are there people out there more skilled than me at each t= opic? Of course, but that's why I am here, to get the opinions of those peo= ple if I can an figure out what needs to be done to make this library a rea= lity.=20 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to std-proposals+unsubscribe@isocpp.org. To post to this group, send email to std-proposals@isocpp.org. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/isocpp= ..org/d/msgid/std-proposals/62b7649a-5de5-4330-9bac-708375d36e2c%40isocpp.or= g. ------=_Part_515_821277321.1465004849129-- .