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[2607:f8b0:400c:c05::22a]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v64si3271951vka.198.2016.05.08.10.26.55 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 08 May 2016 10:26:55 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of ville.voutilainen@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c05::22a as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400c:c05::22a; Original-Received: by mail-vk0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id o133so42686916vka.0 for ; Sun, 08 May 2016 10:26:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.31.92.213 with SMTP id q204mr4375451vkb.78.1462728415421; Sun, 08 May 2016 10:26:55 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.103.126.194 with HTTP; Sun, 8 May 2016 10:26:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: ville.voutilainen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of ville.voutilainen@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c05::22a as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ville.voutilainen@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list std-proposals@isocpp.org; contact std-proposals+owners@isocpp.org List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: std-proposals@isocpp.org X-Google-Group-Id: 399137483710 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals:25856 Archived-At: On 8 May 2016 at 20:14, Nicol Bolas wrote: > But what you're suggesting offers zero protection against Murphy at all. The That's a misuse of the term "at all". > moment you allow people to violate access controls trivially, people will There's no triviality involved, because access control violations will not happen unless asked for, and such violations can be, to abuse your abuse of the term, trivially easily be caught in code review. > Take the current thread. Serializing arbitrary data structures without their > knowledge or consent is a terrible idea, for reasons that have been Well, you're free to think so, but we have practical users who can demonstrate it's a great idea. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to std-proposals+unsubscribe@isocpp.org. To post to this group, send email to std-proposals@isocpp.org. 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