220 25481 article Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sean Middleditch Newsgroups: gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals Subject: Re: Re: Relocation as a solution for the valueless variant problem? 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[2607:f8b0:400c:c05::232]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 77si2699955uae.54.2016.04.08.00.34.33 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 08 Apr 2016 00:34:33 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of sean.middleditch@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c05::232 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400c:c05::232; Original-Received: by mail-vk0-x232.google.com with SMTP id c4so128586298vkb.3 for ; Fri, 08 Apr 2016 00:34:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.159.35.41 with SMTP id 38mr3354528uae.127.1460100872870; Fri, 08 Apr 2016 00:34:32 -0700 (PDT) Original-Sender: sean.middleditch@gmail.com Original-Received: by 10.159.41.103 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Apr 2016 00:34:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5fa18812-ef38-49de-814c-0d062124c4d2@isocpp.org> X-Original-Sender: sean@middleditch.us X-Original-Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of sean.middleditch@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c05::232 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=sean.middleditch@gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list std-proposals@isocpp.org; contact std-proposals+owners@isocpp.org List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: std-proposals@isocpp.org X-Google-Group-Id: 399137483710 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals:25481 Archived-At: --001a113d1d6cdd2515052ff4397a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 12:18 AM, wrote: > Let me expand on this. In doing so, I hope to help you guys understand the > developer audience that, in the name of "modernity", you are alienating. > > The key value of C++, to me, is in the following: > > (1) Control. There is no limit to how much control I want to have. > (2) Expressiveness; including tools to exercise control safely. > > I think perhaps you should watch my CppCon talk and realize that you're (a) wildly off-base with your accusation and (b) severely misinterpreting my points in this thread. And now you're being belligerent and petulant, so I'm done providing advice. Good luck on your proposal and have a great night. -- Sean Middleditch http://seanmiddleditch.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to std-proposals+unsubscribe@isocpp.org. To post to this group, send email to std-proposals@isocpp.org. 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On F= ri, Apr 8, 2016 at 12:18 AM, <isocppgroup@denisbider.com>= wrote:
Let = me expand on this. In doing so, I hope to help you guys understand the deve= loper audience that, in the name of "modernity", you are alienati= ng.

The key value of C++, to me, is in the following:

(1) Control. There is no limit to how much control I w= ant to have.
(2) Expressiveness; including tools to exercise cont= rol safely.


I th= ink perhaps you should watch my CppCon talk and realize that you're (a)= wildly off-base with your accusation and (b) severely misinterpreting my p= oints in this thread.

And now you're being bel= ligerent and petulant, so I'm done providing advice. Good luck on your = proposal and have a great night.

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