220 21634 article Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ryan Nicholl Newsgroups: gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals Subject: Re: try_realloc Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 22:05:53 -0700 (PDT) Lines: 153 Approved: news@gmane.org Message-ID: References: <30f59ec7-0712-48fb-9df0-d66e3fe80c3c@isocpp.org> <2839762.j35TZXxY8Y@tjmaciei-mobl4> <20150802102813.GA6177@noemi.bahnhof.se> <7C86EFA3-F6B3-44B4-9B36-C2B583EBE43F@gmail.com> <15d79bb1-61b2-496d-ad8d-22d2c441b538@isocpp.org> Reply-To: std-proposals@isocpp.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_5212_813287337.1444712753175" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1444712761 21907 80.91.229.3 (13 Oct 2015 05:06:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 05:06:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: isocppgroup@denisbider.com To: ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals Original-X-From: std-proposals+bncBCTNLHWRU4LBBMVC6KYAKGQEIF6OJFA@isocpp.org Tue Oct 13 07:05:58 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: gclcip-std-proposals@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from mail-vk0-f69.google.com ([209.85.213.69]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zlrme-0007AF-3v for gclcip-std-proposals@m.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 07:05:56 +0200 Original-Received: by vkha6 with SMTP id a6sf10667087vkh.1 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 22:05:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:cc:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:content-type:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group:list-post:list-help :list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=rICL6PYXy6H7HOatJv4N2DR/HXLFSj84ILyVFm0fUeE=; b=ugAAibnfjUVabuL/AffMJ41o6X8WVEI/vktlDfpIRRN4gOKb910itdgTfcKNVkS4GN 5HPGRUI0iDyYD8xBNScGncQ5NMicpdVprk5uC2m/cXmBcnZBGZ5tNcTzQPbNKjwT4U+b JhE3hPBmO8hn2gd6VR7I/x+GkRAY6I0SdVDCFKEToHR4On5AUGsERIcXpB/DvgL4FxJF CeJZo9yEoWw6MHjZYIOaSeu86QDyEVslIGku+HyAs/ycsFlvYQqu6TcCcouDISdwdHfC pX47WZGUfgMY9FlbCDSqjSuPQsXOL6i3pTA6hh7OXj7T0kAbdP41n9xNXXOvg1BqNi4o z+RQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:message-id:in-reply-to :references:subject:mime-version:content-type:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group :list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=rICL6PYXy6H7HOatJv4N2DR/HXLFSj84ILyVFm0fUeE=; b=g753YvwGub3dp6hywxUsJ5BESuk54Haniz2NRVEpK0P1tA+OsYNBg3iFFqLJ/9k7Aj 7wC4on8C+iKDt9IKpUEe/fY0PbjHMYXL7MemHGeqvMDn8S82VF5SkU+A2ZmLa3DeIQtG Zel+mT0FGXypk9DYQdT7T2TUrOECAp661py+DrH5a7PVkMXZPphIrj3+36ldobtvQdDB QZvMAncH3VYVJr0JVba6RqoduxxOj9U4VT73O1li1oD0PQgIWNf1YszrO2/faObIkSrm NSShR+q29+Ck0V9hdOORp03Cb+HiruFMYTKcTEPJKUijXMNZbNn5qBwX6AWnI74aIMul mSAA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlScNoxEvguSweRQxyYU7fFooL9MQJXpROSLusuoSxXUWdAMDLprQfi2OKyEk5Rqi+gZVTp X-Received: by 10.129.50.85 with SMTP id y82mr27043803ywy.2.1444712755503; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 22:05:55 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: std-proposals@isocpp.org Original-Received: by 10.107.163.7 with SMTP id m7ls1829917ioe.61.gmail; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 22:05:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.13.38 with SMTP id e6mr173517igc.5.1444712754378; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 22:05:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <15d79bb1-61b2-496d-ad8d-22d2c441b538@isocpp.org> X-Original-Sender: r.p.nicholl@gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list std-proposals@isocpp.org; contact std-proposals+owners@isocpp.org List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: std-proposals@isocpp.org X-Google-Group-Id: 399137483710 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals:21634 Archived-At: ------=_Part_5212_813287337.1444712753175 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5213_126885084.1444712753175" ------=_Part_5213_126885084.1444712753175 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree. Standardization should probably take place online only. On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 3:20:11 PM UTC-4, denis bider wrote: > > This highlights the whole problem of moving the language forward in face= =20 > to face meetings. > > This wastes resources on travel, excludes people who could contribute, an= d=20 > silences worthwhile ideas who don't happen to have a champion with=20 > disposable time and money. > > It further corrupts the process by comingling standardization with=20 > socializing, leading to an inner clique who know each other from years of= =20 > face to face meetings, further excluding outsiders. > > This is an inefficient process that became unnecessary around the year=20 > 2000. Yet it continues to persist, most likely because most people who=20 > would vote to change it enjoy being paid by their companies to socialize= =20 > and travel. > > This is fairly disgusting and must be ended. > > Explore new countries on your own time, people. > > > On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 8:56:38 AM UTC-6, Howard Hinnant wrote: > >> On Aug 2, 2015, at 6:28 AM, Magnus Fromreide =20 >> wrote:=20 >> >=20 >> > Does anybody know why WG14/N1085 didn't move forward or where that=20 >> > paper ended up?=20 >> >=20 >> > http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n1085.htm=20 >> >=20 >> >> I did not attend WG14 personally to present this paper. The feedback I= =20 >> got was that there was insufficient interest to move forward with it. I= ..e.=20 >> no one present was excited enough about it to do the hard work, and even= I,=20 >> the author, wasn=E2=80=99t willing to shell out the vacation time and tr= avel=20 >> expense to make it happen.=20 >> >> I.e. good ideas are often not enough by themselves. Someone has to be= =20 >> willing to champion it in person. It takes time and money (the money fo= r=20 >> travel, nothing nefarious).=20 >> >> Howard=20 >> >> --=20 ---=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to std-proposals+unsubscribe@isocpp.org. To post to this group, send email to std-proposals@isocpp.org. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/a/isocpp.org/group/std-proposa= ls/. ------=_Part_5213_126885084.1444712753175 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I agree. Standardization should probably take place online= only.

On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 3:20:11 PM UTC-4, denis bider wr= ote:
This= highlights the whole problem of moving the language forward in face to fac= e meetings.

This wastes resources on travel, exclu= des people who could contribute, and silences worthwhile ideas who don'= t happen to have a champion with disposable time and money.

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It=C2=A0further corrupts the process by comingling standardizatio= n with socializing, leading to an inner clique who know each other from yea= rs of face to face meetings, further excluding outsiders.

This is an inefficient process that became unnecessary around the y= ear 2000. Yet it continues to persist, most likely because most people who = would vote to change it enjoy being paid by their companies to socialize an= d travel.

This is fairly disgusting and must be en= ded.

Explore new countries on your own time, peopl= e.


On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 8:56:38 AM UTC-6, Howard = Hinnant wrote:
On Aug 2, 2015, at 6:28 AM, Magnus Fro= mreide <ma...@lysator.liu.se> wrote:
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> Does anybody know why WG14/N1085 didn't move forward or where = that
> paper ended up?
>=20
> http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/= docs/n1085.htm
>=20

I did not attend WG14 personally to present this paper. =C2=A0The feedb= ack I got was that there was insufficient interest to move forward with it.= =C2=A0I.e. no one present was excited enough about it to do the hard work,= and even I, the author, wasn=E2=80=99t willing to shell out the vacation t= ime and travel expense to make it happen.

I.e. good ideas are often not enough by themselves. =C2=A0Someone has t= o be willing to champion it in person. =C2=A0It takes time and money (the m= oney for travel, nothing nefarious).

Howard

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