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[2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22e]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ab2si134277pad.86.2015.10.02.00.37.53 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 02 Oct 2015 00:37:54 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of potswa@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22e as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22e; Original-Received: by pacfv12 with SMTP id fv12so101871450pac.2 for ; Fri, 02 Oct 2015 00:37:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.66.230.137 with SMTP id sy9mr18573938pac.154.1443771473754; Fri, 02 Oct 2015 00:37:53 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [172.20.10.2] ([121.54.54.188]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id zk9sm10619079pac.7.2015.10.02.00.37.52 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 02 Oct 2015 00:37:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) X-Original-Sender: potswa@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of potswa@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22e as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=potswa@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list std-proposals@isocpp.org; contact std-proposals+owners@isocpp.org List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: std-proposals@isocpp.org X-Google-Group-Id: 399137483710 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals:21149 Archived-At: --Apple-Mail=_F912299A-8BBA-48D5-8D28-DA8B8660B07B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > On 2015=E2=80=9310=E2=80=9302, at 2:53 PM, Sam Kellett wrote: >=20 > agree completely with everything. this sucks so bad. >=20 > what about a new namespace that we are allowed to override (and create ou= r own customization points)? >=20 > adl::swap() Such a namespace name would be an oxymoron. > or even: >=20 > std::adl::swap() How about simply =E2=80=9Cstd::swap=E2=80=9D and let it do the work of pull= ing in ADL? > to avoid breaking changes. Question for all: Must qualified std::swap be supported as an accessor to t= he three-move algorithm, e.g. for ADL overloads that add side-effects but n= ot optimization? Perhaps it would be a good idea, going forward, to forbid ADL hooks from ca= lling their std:: counterparts, so that std may encapsulate ADL. --=20 ---=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to std-proposals+unsubscribe@isocpp.org. To post to this group, send email to std-proposals@isocpp.org. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/a/isocpp.org/group/std-proposa= ls/. --Apple-Mail=_F912299A-8BBA-48D5-8D28-DA8B8660B07B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
On 2015=E2=80=9310= =E2=80=9302, at 2:53 PM, Sam Kellett <samkellett@gmail.com> wrote:

agree completely with everything. thi= s sucks so bad.
what about a new namespace that we are a= llowed to override (and create our own customization points)?

adl::swap()

Such a names= pace name would be an oxymoron.

or = even:

std::adl::swap()

How about simply =E2=80=9Cstd= ::swap=E2=80=9D and let it do the work of pulling in ADL?

to avoid breaking changes.

Quest= ion for all: Must qualified std::swa= p be supported as an accessor to the three-move algorithm, e.g.= for ADL overloads that add side-effects but not optimization?
<= div>
Perhaps it would be a good idea, going forwar= d, to forbid ADL hooks from calling their std:: counterparts, so that std may encapsulate ADL.

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