220 19600 article Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ville Voutilainen Newsgroups: gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals Subject: Re: try_realloc Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 09:01:53 +0300 Lines: 33 Approved: news@gmane.org Message-ID: References: <30f59ec7-0712-48fb-9df0-d66e3fe80c3c@isocpp.org> <2839762.j35TZXxY8Y@tjmaciei-mobl4> <20150802102813.GA6177@noemi.bahnhof.se> <7C86EFA3-F6B3-44B4-9B36-C2B583EBE43F@gmail.com> <15d79bb1-61b2-496d-ad8d-22d2c441b538@isocpp.org> <4D9A3974-B2CE-4C92-9C1E-10213AB67C53@gmail.com> <20150803000847.GA7843@noemi.bahnhof.se> <26ef5632-2004-498b-8212-f9cb8b7ad451@isocpp.org> <04258155-8308-4701-97ed-c7d49b2990e2@isocpp.org> Reply-To: std-proposals@isocpp.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1438668116 27698 80.91.229.3 (4 Aug 2015 06:01:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 06:01:56 +0000 (UTC) To: "ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" Original-X-From: std-proposals+bncBC5JHI7A7ALRBUNKQGXAKGQEBOTZ4GQ@isocpp.org Tue Aug 04 08:01:55 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: gclcip-std-proposals@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from mail-vk0-f71.google.com ([209.85.213.71]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZMVIR-0003VJ-7H for gclcip-std-proposals@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Aug 2015 08:01:55 +0200 Original-Received: by vkfx1 with SMTP id x1sf80976845vkf.3 for ; Mon, 03 Aug 2015 23:01:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=pZwGm/ckH0Zu2jMZSADugdz4Grx2ClRjaeL+kHfnkRk=; b=PEued6b/BnIHHhwFJ/FnYG1iQAgPse2525Ka/FgHccES4/YMmaZoaDbfnShlvsLTqd Sy3e+NGWvIO6yMtDtLVLURW4O9V6GdiSrJJXXbQzarh+z2J2D+pG3h8LDoY5te/RtWiC 46x8i1vq2iGpDCZkU9dV+IpdyrRU4a+4KM+N7jStmes9bWXamSBhB53pBZT8W6T+CHLC /rbx+rnXABACswfeHEZliNwFU+kPj0deomi7rx3uDGZdmMyi/pL8v25JTzIMdQHWqceI BynzX9GXdX9mexLEY7vEIhP99WXJXDSMEFeF4FJ9q0JRjjuk+TEvicYJX5iVT3iaPZ6C cXRg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlL/rtsOZEZShQ4phpApecBUba/nFqu2hC50/02ePeoClgniaEmhl75BHu6fNDupBEyI32h X-Received: by 10.129.76.70 with SMTP id z67mr1683462ywa.25.1438668114296; Mon, 03 Aug 2015 23:01:54 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: std-proposals@isocpp.org Original-Received: by 10.107.161.68 with SMTP id k65ls115169ioe.98.gmail; Mon, 03 Aug 2015 23:01:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.39.80 with SMTP id n16mr1959456igk.76.1438668113609; Mon, 03 Aug 2015 23:01:53 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from mail-ig0-x22c.google.com (mail-ig0-x22c.google.com. [2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22c]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e16si7949901igo.1.2015.08.03.23.01.53 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 03 Aug 2015 23:01:53 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of ville.voutilainen@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22c as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22c; Original-Received: by igk11 with SMTP id 11so86307622igk.1 for ; Mon, 03 Aug 2015 23:01:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.97.97 with SMTP id dz1mr24181861igb.64.1438668113374; Mon, 03 Aug 2015 23:01:53 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.36.53.9 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Aug 2015 23:01:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <04258155-8308-4701-97ed-c7d49b2990e2@isocpp.org> X-Original-Sender: ville.voutilainen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of ville.voutilainen@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22c as permitted sender) smtp.mail=ville.voutilainen@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list std-proposals@isocpp.org; contact std-proposals+owners@isocpp.org List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: std-proposals@isocpp.org X-Google-Group-Id: 399137483710 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals:19600 Archived-At: On 4 August 2015 at 08:33, wrote: > At this time, I do not see much benefit from my continued participation in > this group. The standards body does not appear to be in a position where it > can meaningfully accept and integrate input from language users, in any way > other than strictly informal. > There is no system for registering such feedback. There is no system to > integrate it. There is no system to measure it. There is no system to act on > it. Just in case some innocent observer reads these assertions of yours and thinks they are correct, they are not. You never bothered to make any effort to find out how to register such feedback. > There appears to be little sense of accountability to language users; of the > need to shepherd ideas that no one is passionate about on their own. There's > little concern that something of value is being lost, when worthwhile ideas > don't make it to meetings. > There seems to be little understanding that every idea is valuable. That > ideas must be collected, registered, reconciled in some way. That ideas are > opportunities, and are valuable for their own, not just when someone > champions them. Do tell us how an idea would get adopted if nobody does any work to champion it. -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to std-proposals+unsubscribe@isocpp.org. To post to this group, send email to std-proposals@isocpp.org. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/a/isocpp.org/group/std-proposals/. .