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[104.229.168.124]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 126sm2146617qhr.36.2015.08.02.12.39.45 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 02 Aug 2015 12:39:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) X-Original-Sender: howard.hinnant@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of howard.hinnant@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c04::22e as permitted sender) smtp.mail=howard.hinnant@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list std-proposals@isocpp.org; contact std-proposals+owners@isocpp.org List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: std-proposals@isocpp.org X-Google-Group-Id: 399137483710 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals:19543 Archived-At: On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:25 PM, Ville Voutilainen = wrote: >=20 > On 2 August 2015 at 22:20, denis bider wrote= : >> This highlights the whole problem of moving the language forward in face= to >> face meetings. >> This wastes resources on travel, excludes people who could contribute, a= nd >> silences worthwhile ideas who don't happen to have a champion with >> disposable time and money. >> It further corrupts the process by comingling standardization with >> socializing, leading to an inner clique who know each other from years o= f >> face to face meetings, further excluding outsiders. >> This is an inefficient process that became unnecessary around the year 2= 000. >> Yet it continues to persist, most likely because most people who would v= ote >> to change it enjoy being paid by their companies to socialize and travel= .. >> This is fairly disgusting and must be ended. >> Explore new countries on your own time, people. >=20 >=20 > If you wish us to not take you seriously, by all means continue on > that track. All > the standardization work I do happens on my own time, mostly outside > working hours, > without getting paid for it. I must have missed the memo where somebody d= ied > and made you the authority to tell me what I should or should not do. Ditto. Indeed, Ville and I work together on standards issues (on our own t= ime as volunteers) despite the fact that we live on opposite sides of the g= lobe. Most of the work is done between meetings. But to be able to get a consensus of experts, there is still nothing better= than face to face meetings. It isn=E2=80=99t a perfect system by any mean= s. But it is the best one we have to date, despite our advanced communicat= ions. I have personally attended a couple of standards meetings =E2=80=9Cremotely= =E2=80=9D. It doesn=E2=80=99t work, despite the best efforts of volunteers= on the committee donating their time and equipment to help people attend r= emotely. If I implied the meetings were purely social events, then I communicated po= orly. The meetings are a key part of the process, and significant effort h= as been made (and significant money donated by volunteers) to hold those me= etings around the globe so that no one is always disadvantaged more than an= yone else because of the length of travel required. And that reminds me =E2=80=A6 I need help updating this map: https://www.google.com/maps/@35.723858,-101.096717,4z/data=3D!3m1!4b1!4m2!6= m1!1sz7MoBTfGFGPs.ksrK1wcwCvwk :-) Howard --=20 ---=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to std-proposals+unsubscribe@isocpp.org. To post to this group, send email to std-proposals@isocpp.org. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/a/isocpp.org/group/std-proposa= ls/. .