220 19539 <15d79bb1-61b2-496d-ad8d-22d2c441b538@isocpp.org> article Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: denis bider Newsgroups: gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals Subject: Re: try_realloc Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 12:20:11 -0700 (PDT) Lines: 147 Approved: news@gmane.org Message-ID: <15d79bb1-61b2-496d-ad8d-22d2c441b538@isocpp.org> References: <30f59ec7-0712-48fb-9df0-d66e3fe80c3c@isocpp.org> <2839762.j35TZXxY8Y@tjmaciei-mobl4> <20150802102813.GA6177@noemi.bahnhof.se> <7C86EFA3-F6B3-44B4-9B36-C2B583EBE43F@gmail.com> Reply-To: std-proposals@isocpp.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_1180_1457751672.1438543211694" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1438543220 25273 80.91.229.3 (2 Aug 2015 19:20:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 19:20:20 +0000 (UTC) To: ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals Original-X-From: std-proposals+bncBD5LNK7YQYJRB3G27GWQKGQE2OS45UQ@isocpp.org Sun Aug 02 21:20:16 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: gclcip-std-proposals@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from mail-qg0-f69.google.com ([209.85.192.69]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZLynt-0006vK-W1 for gclcip-std-proposals@m.gmane.org; Sun, 02 Aug 2015 21:20:14 +0200 Original-Received: by qgeu79 with SMTP id u79sf108092636qge.1 for ; Sun, 02 Aug 2015 12:20:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references :subject:mime-version:content-type:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group:list-post :list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=hBiG5lNAcMpqd9k2RwukK48IORPfMcdsAjm0FLE/Ig8=; b=mpVlbQjSWot0vh/es/MSoXEPJtgm8p8FhrdspnjBNawSwtkEy9ae/wSZNq48YWgMgH VHOr0QvjnRvG85D9GQMEYNzmebQdpYUbp+4PDVOChnlMsT2RR+EoNFOvd3iLU6Fwjei1 K4vS2sCSmlUUTWCK5kXMtJViziIbByqR6C5RoLifK+xx6q4TFnb83MFFQzfAhppm13in 7W09tDeh/jC/GZFAYZIBWzwfOCahTS33gA2G9tkajlzeIjLS1SlI/GrQfSEoX9QQUR0l 5ahSF/543sUk3TAQCVfRaweKQY171JqCqe8s6kL+D65i9CgVcA8ARSJspxF62frv97A5 u2Hg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmAqqVCN72UDiX5lCoYHPQk6DXRKPmJJWPf0/JibebLyj2KX7kHV4y8bYF3OVXE5i7cSw/C X-Received: by 10.141.28.72 with SMTP id f69mr13782794qhe.10.1438543213217; Sun, 02 Aug 2015 12:20:13 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: std-proposals@isocpp.org Original-Received: by 10.140.89.148 with SMTP id v20ls2138751qgd.70.gmail; Sun, 02 Aug 2015 12:20:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.105.102 with SMTP id b93mr111029qgf.26.1438543212337; Sun, 02 Aug 2015 12:20:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7C86EFA3-F6B3-44B4-9B36-C2B583EBE43F@gmail.com> X-Original-Sender: isocppgroup@denisbider.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list std-proposals@isocpp.org; contact std-proposals+owners@isocpp.org List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: std-proposals@isocpp.org X-Google-Group-Id: 399137483710 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals:19539 Archived-At: ------=_Part_1180_1457751672.1438543211694 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1181_1680855005.1438543211701" ------=_Part_1181_1680855005.1438543211701 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This highlights the whole problem of moving the language forward in face to= =20 face meetings. This wastes resources on travel, excludes people who could contribute, and= =20 silences worthwhile ideas who don't happen to have a champion with=20 disposable time and money. It further corrupts the process by comingling standardization with=20 socializing, leading to an inner clique who know each other from years of= =20 face to face meetings, further excluding outsiders. This is an inefficient process that became unnecessary around the year=20 2000. Yet it continues to persist, most likely because most people who=20 would vote to change it enjoy being paid by their companies to socialize=20 and travel. This is fairly disgusting and must be ended. Explore new countries on your own time, people. On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 8:56:38 AM UTC-6, Howard Hinnant wrote: > On Aug 2, 2015, at 6:28 AM, Magnus Fromreide > wrote:=20 > >=20 > > Does anybody know why WG14/N1085 didn't move forward or where that=20 > > paper ended up?=20 > >=20 > > http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n1085.htm=20 > >=20 > > I did not attend WG14 personally to present this paper. The feedback I= =20 > got was that there was insufficient interest to move forward with it. I.= e.=20 > no one present was excited enough about it to do the hard work, and even = I,=20 > the author, wasn=E2=80=99t willing to shell out the vacation time and tra= vel=20 > expense to make it happen.=20 > > I.e. good ideas are often not enough by themselves. Someone has to be=20 > willing to champion it in person. It takes time and money (the money for= =20 > travel, nothing nefarious).=20 > > Howard=20 > > --=20 ---=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to std-proposals+unsubscribe@isocpp.org. To post to this group, send email to std-proposals@isocpp.org. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/a/isocpp.org/group/std-proposa= ls/. ------=_Part_1181_1680855005.1438543211701 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This highlights the whole problem of moving the langu= age forward in face to face meetings.

This wastes = resources on travel, excludes people who could contribute, and silences wor= thwhile ideas who don't happen to have a champion with disposable time = and money.

It=C2=A0further corrupts the process by= comingling standardization with socializing, leading to an inner clique wh= o know each other from years of face to face meetings, further excluding ou= tsiders.

This is an inefficient process that becam= e unnecessary around the year 2000. Yet it continues to persist, most likel= y because most people who would vote to change it enjoy being paid by their= companies to socialize and travel.

This is fairly= disgusting and must be ended.

Explore new countri= es on your own time, people.


On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at= 8:56:38 AM UTC-6, Howard Hinnant wrote:
= On Aug 2, 2015, at 6:28 AM, Magnus Fromreide <ma...@lysator.liu.se> wr= ote:
>=20
> Does anybody know why WG14/N1085 didn't move forward or where = that
> paper ended up?
>=20
> http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/ww= w/docs/n1085.htm
>=20

I did not attend WG14 personally to present this paper. =C2=A0The feedb= ack I got was that there was insufficient interest to move forward with it.= =C2=A0I.e. no one present was excited enough about it to do the hard work,= and even I, the author, wasn=E2=80=99t willing to shell out the vacation t= ime and travel expense to make it happen.

I.e. good ideas are often not enough by themselves. =C2=A0Someone has t= o be willing to champion it in person. =C2=A0It takes time and money (the m= oney for travel, nothing nefarious).

Howard

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