220 14981 article Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nevin Liber Newsgroups: gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals Subject: Re: Safer C++: never allow implicitly uninitialized variables? Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 20:50:21 -0600 Lines: 70 Approved: news@gmane.org Message-ID: References: <4720a9a6-24d5-4488-a229-2bdf2433fa03@isocpp.org> <59113276.ZOeVMUBO6m@drako> Reply-To: std-proposals@isocpp.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0158b50cb92e050509e7d888 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418266270 2405 80.91.229.3 (11 Dec 2014 02:51:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 02:51:10 +0000 (UTC) To: "std-proposals@isocpp.org" Original-X-From: std-proposals+bncBCE35H5S6IDBBFMNUSSAKGQE5PHJTPQ@isocpp.org Thu Dec 11 03:51:03 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: gclcip-std-proposals@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from mail-yk0-f197.google.com ([209.85.160.197]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XytqI-0004Ul-ST for gclcip-std-proposals@m.gmane.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 03:51:03 +0100 Original-Received: by mail-yk0-f197.google.com with SMTP id 142sf9023297ykq.8 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 18:51:02 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:content-type:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=e0BQg8Oahxsu6/yo+MkjjhaN9Hfk4MMnqBSuWF0GwTg=; b=BNV2RmuWb3Mkn+/W4T6yRhVoHV61AvTKGczf9OQrjBPV+A8gZhgIOW7h9IsYMnnrr4 pRGzUl7U08KXTpc5Rw6hM/CQ6YbOdX7aVF0wc3dhgqIcmiV6MY6Ljwp6VGO/dSatv/LA TYRt7qHWT1Ps9sjX5rZZMoxOpNfVL/7EkuaH/qS89P4GNPWo4vY3+m6qcQ8hgY1aXqq1 mc88m2YMWXIFTK6CKGWqPbL7bxBwNjBHaKC8JEu2w0uzcvDAc6JwRdrtTt2zrvAeGU1n P4O6r/6WLnO+PRLospjankX7ekRE5pWWsIN+LlQBwfeHEgYJTJIMvS/IT/4yHqIS4OlM BDgQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQm0BPXv+UJAE+JVB6R2yE9ADbNfVYckVkG8rhblD5DPacGCZb5jM/9fFdZzXK3nPpulz+LF X-Received: by 10.236.207.136 with SMTP id n8mr7414249yho.5.1418266262346; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 18:51:02 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: std-proposals@isocpp.org Original-Received: by 10.140.104.213 with SMTP id a79ls838353qgf.61.gmail; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 18:51:01 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.140.35.114 with SMTP id m105mr14404530qgm.79.1418266261819; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 18:51:01 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from mail-yk0-x22f.google.com (mail-yk0-x22f.google.com. [2607:f8b0:4002:c07::22f]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g75si7345195qge.83.2014.12.10.18.51.01 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 10 Dec 2014 18:51:01 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nliber@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4002:c07::22f as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4002:c07::22f; Original-Received: by mail-yk0-f175.google.com with SMTP id 200so1816807ykr.20 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 18:51:01 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.29.17 with SMTP id h17mr5367565yha.188.1418266261661; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 18:51:01 -0800 (PST) Original-Sender: nliber@gmail.com Original-Received: by 10.170.97.8 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 18:50:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <59113276.ZOeVMUBO6m@drako> X-Original-Sender: nevin@eviloverlord.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nliber@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4002:c07::22f as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nliber@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list std-proposals@isocpp.org; contact std-proposals+owners@isocpp.org List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 399137483710 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals:14981 Archived-At: --089e0158b50cb92e050509e7d888 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 9 December 2014 at 17:12, Ivan =C4=8Cuki=C4=87 wr= ote: > This is, IMO, safer than initializing it to a compiler-chosen value (or a > default-constructed one). > +1 to explicit initialization over initializing to a compiler-chosen value. As I've said before, a compiler-chosen value only makes the code more deterministic, not less buggy. I'm not a big fan of auto everywhere, though. Names are important... --=20 Nevin ":-)" Liber (847) 691-1404 --=20 ---=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to std-proposals+unsubscribe@isocpp.org. To post to this group, send email to std-proposals@isocpp.org. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/a/isocpp.org/group/std-proposa= ls/. --089e0158b50cb92e050509e7d888 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= On 9 December 2014 at 17:12, Ivan =C4=8Cuki=C4=87 <ivan.cukic@gmail.com= > wrote:
This is, IMO, safer than initializin= g it to a compiler-chosen value (or a
default-constructed one).

+1 to explicit in= itialization over initializing to a compiler-chosen value.=C2=A0 As I'v= e said before, a compiler-chosen value only makes the code more determinist= ic, not less buggy.

I'm not a big fan of auto everywhere, though.=C2=A0 Names= are important...
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