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[178.148.120.90]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ry19sm3614819wjb.3.2014.12.09.15.15.13 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 09 Dec 2014 15:15:13 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from drako.erebor.local (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by drako.erebor.local (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8) with ESMTP id sB9NCCrB023073 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 00:12:12 +0100 Original-Received: (from ivan@localhost) by drako.erebor.local (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id sB9NCBas023072 for std-proposals@isocpp.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 00:12:11 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: drako.erebor.local: ivan set sender to ivan.cukic@yandex.com using -f User-Agent: KMail/4.72 pre (Linux/3.16.0-4-amd64; KDE/5.5.0; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <4720a9a6-24d5-4488-a229-2bdf2433fa03@isocpp.org> X-Original-Sender: ivan.cukic@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of ivan.cukic@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=ivan.cukic@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list std-proposals@isocpp.org; contact std-proposals+owners@isocpp.org List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 399137483710 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals:14929 Archived-At: > I wonder if it would make sense to make variables in C++ automatically > value-initialized or there would be problems. Hi, Another work-around which is beoming more popular lately is to use auto as the type specifier. In that case, you are forced to explicitely initialize the variable. This is, IMO, safer than initializing it to a compiler-chosen value (or a default-constructed one). -- Cheerio, Ivan KDE, ivan.cukic at kde.org, http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/ gpg key id: 850B6F76, keyserver.pgp.com -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to std-proposals+unsubscribe@isocpp.org. To post to this group, send email to std-proposals@isocpp.org. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/a/isocpp.org/group/std-proposals/. .