220 13725 article Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tony V E Newsgroups: gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals Subject: Re: Re: Generic std::size, a la std::begin Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 15:47:08 -0400 Lines: 93 Approved: news@gmane.org Message-ID: References: <8808df5e-62c4-459d-acd9-00e63adb9476@isocpp.org> <20141004004445.GA8207@lenovo> <890596a6-4fe4-4fe4-b96b-0196aaac94cf@isocpp.org> <51161156-ee03-4662-bfcd-a990e6fe830d@isocpp.org> <861975ec-a57f-448b-9321-ef061226f265@isocpp.org> <1d95ed0b-2872-457a-80c4-c9c73182aed6@isocpp.org> Reply-To: std-proposals@isocpp.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b3a90442124f00504c65984 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1412624839 14432 80.91.229.3 (6 Oct 2014 19:47:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 19:47:19 +0000 (UTC) To: std-proposals@isocpp.org Original-X-From: std-proposals+bncBCUZ5QWKNQIL3Y6LUECRUBDGD7VU6@isocpp.org Mon Oct 06 21:47:11 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: gclcip-std-proposals@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from mail-ee0-f71.google.com ([74.125.83.71]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XbEFT-0008A4-BG for gclcip-std-proposals@m.gmane.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2014 21:47:11 +0200 Original-Received: by mail-ee0-f71.google.com with SMTP id d17sf3341161eek.6 for ; Mon, 06 Oct 2014 12:47:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=d0j/I9dAZy2MNY0WrsS7j9UnplLhHDNgKrF7xlYf4E8=; b=OhwdQMtv4zjsU0XxmFCANPHsRxHB74SaLSGQ7uZzBrUVHfpZECZyYFKFY0yqA/pEav eW2AJtoWvRid8E/siVM2jqF9iW7KyvarujexxFYjhwU93lCTITwHGeOiYHbs7rQza0Gy WzbKNhO6gKPugSE5h+OV/itO8wzfsGho0a8C/48icBPO+mFp+Zz3AEoCcM4mc3lX2s3V tVV5usK7Yg9Mc3ZazPshe/MaD9wpOOGuwuY3nvJB+q/+nyLNy1v4BDsCKKZGzWpdWW6K zWBp2IoqsYUm6RoCr+Ex1G4L0OM4nMdLGQur+CIzOFpb3jMCpNaNDSQh1qJdMFL/QtER j/YA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmPOOU11zYYJRxld8HbR7dLraz6NAfz7PnI7a6gWsAAgTjybZ7liRo2B9ASCKumdTg47hQy X-Received: by 10.152.6.9 with SMTP id w9mr60236law.7.1412624831085; Mon, 06 Oct 2014 12:47:11 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: std-proposals@isocpp.org Original-Received: by 10.152.37.194 with SMTP id a2ls612460lak.41.gmail; Mon, 06 Oct 2014 12:47:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.152.9.132 with SMTP id z4mr27816526laa.8.1412624829429; Mon, 06 Oct 2014 12:47:09 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from mail-la0-x22a.google.com (mail-la0-x22a.google.com [2a00:1450:4010:c03::22a]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id db6si25635323lad.9.2014.10.06.12.47.09 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 06 Oct 2014 12:47:09 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of tvaneerd@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c03::22a as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:4010:c03::22a; Original-Received: by mail-la0-f42.google.com with SMTP id mk6so5098198lab.1 for ; Mon, 06 Oct 2014 12:47:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.112.134.101 with SMTP id pj5mr25955890lbb.47.1412624828931; Mon, 06 Oct 2014 12:47:08 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.112.75.199 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Oct 2014 12:47:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: tvaneerd@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of tvaneerd@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c03::22a as permitted sender) smtp.mail=tvaneerd@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list std-proposals@isocpp.org; contact std-proposals+owners@isocpp.org List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 399137483710 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals:13725 Archived-At: --047d7b3a90442124f00504c65984 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Nevin Liber wrote: > On 6 October 2014 14:40, Myriachan wrote: > >> That's only because it is decades too late to change STL to rename the >> member functions count and max_count. >> > > So instead you propose to confuse users even more. That ship has sailed; > why should we now be deliberately inconsistent with it? > > >> The conflict with the sizeof operator is strong. >> > > How is it any stronger than size() inside STL containers? > container::size() is called as a member function: foo.size(). both sizeof() and std::size() would are called like free functions: size(foo); sizeof(foo); It could be argued that this is thus "stronger". Tony -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to std-proposals+unsubscribe@isocpp.org. To post to this group, send email to std-proposals@isocpp.org. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/a/isocpp.org/group/std-proposals/. --047d7b3a90442124f00504c65984 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Nevin Liber <nevin@eviloverlord.c= om> wrote:
On 6 October 2014 14:40, Myriachan <= myriachan@gmail.co= m> wrote:
That's only because it is decades too late to change STL to ren= ame the member functions = count and max_coun= t.=C2=A0

So inst= ead you propose to confuse users even more.=C2=A0 That ship has sailed; why= should we now be deliberately inconsistent with it?
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=C2=A0
The c= onflict with the sizeof operator is strong.

How is it any stronger than size() inside STL containers?
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container::size() is called as= a member function:

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 foo.size().

both sizeof() and std::size() would are called like free functions:
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 size(foo);
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = sizeof(foo);

It could be argued that this is thus "s= tronger".

Tony
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