220 13723 <1d95ed0b-2872-457a-80c4-c9c73182aed6@isocpp.org> article Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Myriachan Newsgroups: gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals Subject: Re: Generic std::size, a la std::begin Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 12:40:16 -0700 (PDT) Lines: 66 Approved: news@gmane.org Message-ID: <1d95ed0b-2872-457a-80c4-c9c73182aed6@isocpp.org> References: <8808df5e-62c4-459d-acd9-00e63adb9476@isocpp.org> <20141004004445.GA8207@lenovo> <890596a6-4fe4-4fe4-b96b-0196aaac94cf@isocpp.org> <51161156-ee03-4662-bfcd-a990e6fe830d@isocpp.org> <861975ec-a57f-448b-9321-ef061226f265@isocpp.org> Reply-To: std-proposals@isocpp.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1482_1250440724.1412624416448" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1412624426 5824 80.91.229.3 (6 Oct 2014 19:40:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 19:40:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: mw_triad@users.sourceforge.net To: std-proposals@isocpp.org Original-X-From: std-proposals+bncBDKLT4PURQHRBIPAZOQQKGQEUIPJDBI@isocpp.org Mon Oct 06 21:40:19 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: gclcip-std-proposals@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from mail-qg0-f71.google.com ([209.85.192.71]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XbE8p-0004hI-0N for gclcip-std-proposals@m.gmane.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2014 21:40:19 +0200 Original-Received: by mail-qg0-f71.google.com with SMTP id q108sf11142780qgd.2 for ; Mon, 06 Oct 2014 12:40:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:cc:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=qtzREDtXblGKJpHDND6mGjyu+SaBPrDspqX0S+57/2Y=; b=FAgELaZZ6vSenLa0Jwu/sX8ATpRY7F/uErX492ovyhvX1XOBiZ1snLEtrgePlGwyfJ AlghYy+lq0nNAAw8XBXcV6EyY5HlMbrmpT1kkGVrXXChbq3THQdLccChfKHjcfjbUQTS KfQEeiJcs1Vh0GAYE/uACQu48TMn5hzUqhW+fA36wVyBjTV33rrXPKS1jKG/M+zr3wg8 A2c2WUGfVIpHUKlmbRafE8VbJmXorMlZk1HlLw+irr7aXJS/1bB2ZrOuvUgFXotv2gDK Yn3Ny5CqBSntaxsQ4++sdeyCui2iAAUNjhYsVeLyOVWBdYTpj0iab8XESpAyH8EXRiLG CyQA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:message-id:in-reply-to :references:subject:mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=qtzREDtXblGKJpHDND6mGjyu+SaBPrDspqX0S+57/2Y=; b=V3tQAZT9mGiOhT5YI9Bu8vW6XbX7n++4UnOyvuO8xtt72j1w2gCvc0vz0sIPaAe0Rg nLUvHl4JT/xGG0qSQ8DdNkdMFBz3yOEhriluZr+Z2nPDSbUugvWFJKIpRZGBJl1We0NP tfYDr4UIbZmC0VjseaZuWhcagiD5YGTrEGyi36DBRiaDxrhGBabJIv1llreUV8xJu4wO mV03r4x7oU9kj87WglnPCaJQjhfldTcaBtf1UUDc3B0pXVndMcAfGlRS2GWknbwRp/xO ZmL/3f8L9hZ7r3C4/8bvWtIZnn+QIfJJSkXFZhVmZjZRCAY8UtHiG83G7Kk/XCdkzAaF pfdw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmYGc8S+4EDW6414kiaNbx95VQ9H0tlHKepTNpa/D7DL+MXlVD8juuh1q5lEPk4+HQr1eOF X-Received: by 10.236.101.148 with SMTP id b20mr11941799yhg.46.1412624418199; Mon, 06 Oct 2014 12:40:18 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: std-proposals@isocpp.org Original-Received: by 10.50.21.8 with SMTP id r8ls695801ige.0.gmail; Mon, 06 Oct 2014 12:40:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.97.74 with SMTP id dy10mr156958igb.1.1412624417688; Mon, 06 Oct 2014 12:40:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <861975ec-a57f-448b-9321-ef061226f265@isocpp.org> X-Original-Sender: myriachan@gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list std-proposals@isocpp.org; contact std-proposals+owners@isocpp.org List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 399137483710 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals:13723 Archived-At: ------=_Part_1482_1250440724.1412624416448 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Monday, October 6, 2014 11:50:43 AM UTC-7, Vlad from Moscow wrote: > > Names size and max_size are very logically consistent. But names count and > max_count can comfuse users. I do not see any problem with using std::size. > It is much better than for example std::extent that makes code awful. > It is using name count for such a purpose will be a mistake.. We do not > say "the count of an array" We say "the size of an array". > > That's only because it is decades too late to change STL to rename the member functions count and max_count. The conflict with the sizeof operator is strong. Some implementations already have a _countof macro. Melissa -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to std-proposals+unsubscribe@isocpp.org. To post to this group, send email to std-proposals@isocpp.org. 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On Monday, October 6, 2014 11:50:43 AM UTC-7, Vlad from Mo= scow wrote:
Names size and max_size are very logically consistent. But names count a= nd max_count can comfuse users. I do not see any problem with using std::si= ze. It is much better than for example std::extent that makes code awful.
It is using name count for such a purpose will be a mistake.. We d= o not say "the count of an array" We say "the size of an array".
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That's only because it is decades too late t= o change STL to rename the member functions count and max_count.  The conflict with the sizeof operator is strong.
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Some implementations already have a _countof macro.

Melissa

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