220 12233 article Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Zhihao Yuan Newsgroups: gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals Subject: Re: RE: noexcept node-based containers (N4055) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 19:08:53 -0400 Lines: 90 Approved: news@gmane.org Message-ID: References: <84A09763-ABE9-4285-B749-7C5AC0316C49@gmail.com> <4834c666ef6e4523845fdd78b0ad334a@BN1PR03MB123.namprd03.prod.outlook.com> Reply-To: std-proposals@isocpp.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1132f17e7e12be050062a3c3" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1407798543 1408 80.91.229.3 (11 Aug 2014 23:09:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 23:09:03 +0000 (UTC) To: "std-proposals@isocpp.org" Original-X-From: std-proposals+bncBCSKRWMD4EHBBBU2UWPQKGQEON4T2SY@isocpp.org Tue Aug 12 01:08:57 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: gclcip-std-proposals@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from mail-ig0-f198.google.com ([209.85.213.198]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XGyi0-0003L7-Hm for gclcip-std-proposals@m.gmane.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 01:08:56 +0200 Original-Received: by mail-ig0-f198.google.com with SMTP id h18sf20864473igc.5 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 16:08:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:sender:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=7w0Y2PuSAZ4+nzzMgdUmt6+iW+wu87/gF2dhOgA9lpQ=; b=iyM6zdMIf8/YW+o9MIHJG8OXm/lozdbNlTMgp8tgrKLhExL37IaFBwo391+8baO+8d nYooe7ySO8EU6+uuSx1b0sOSP7X3jdYuwM/dijbCwBvQq7oxFWZ27qa7zniFkW9vwxSc SajJdnp2RqyTYrhbOywhv6qpzgavxC96poID28UdCYBAeeRt0tDeECeB+ZDZNtUSBnri Trf95UX73eQasFgeX6JMobhwj03PwR8ZHrbsZjuRSpCLjbMu/JwWrK0JjXZTldofKEgb vrhkcVBUMQuwuAwriQ8PVoi8LpZc9sic2WeDVerJqZfQHMdScHAxzngGplg5ENsH9V5p G/mQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnzwPkKs1uJLIHz/sPvVIsv0ME+e7o9BjNHirlBx4Vl5aXJ/VPvC3flVd7wrmel3zuMzTno X-Received: by 10.182.29.10 with SMTP id f10mr536363obh.23.1407798535497; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 16:08:55 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: std-proposals@isocpp.org Original-Received: by 10.140.94.87 with SMTP id f81ls1737739qge.65.gmail; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 16:08:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.52.38.67 with SMTP id e3mr2374085vdk.56.1407798534797; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 16:08:54 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from mail-s68.mailgun.info (mail-s68.mailgun.info. [184.173.153.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id on1si3412553vcb.19.2014.08.11.16.08.54 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 11 Aug 2014 16:08:54 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of bounce+3f9131.69110-std-proposals=isocpp.org@miator.net designates 184.173.153.196 as permitted sender) client-ip=184.173.153.196; Original-Received: from mail-vc0-f171.google.com (mail-vc0-f171.google.com [209.85.220.171]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 53e94d05.7f3c6c54b1f0-in2; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 23:08:53 -0000 (UTC) Original-Received: by mail-vc0-f171.google.com with SMTP id hq11so12451235vcb.16 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 16:08:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.220.182.73 with SMTP id cb9mr601072vcb.9.1407798533293; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 16:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.220.40.5 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 16:08:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Mailgun-Sid: WyI3MTBkYiIsICJzdGQtcHJvcG9zYWxzQGlzb2NwcC5vcmciLCAiNjkxMTAiXQ== Original-Sender: zy@miator.net X-Original-Sender: zy@miator.net X-Original-Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of bounce+3f9131.69110-std-proposals=isocpp.org@miator.net designates 184.173.153.196 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=bounce+3f9131.69110-std-proposals=isocpp.org@miator.net; dkim=pass header.i=@miator.net Precedence: list Mailing-list: list std-proposals@isocpp.org; contact std-proposals+owners@isocpp.org List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 399137483710 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals:12233 Archived-At: --001a1132f17e7e12be050062a3c3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 6:57 PM, Ville Voutilainen < ville.voutilainen@gmail.com> wrote: > On 12 August 2014 01:55, Zhihao Yuan wrote: > >> This has nothing to do with any students. Treating moved-from objects > >> as destroyed _does_ break existing code, and I'm not talking about > >> school assignments. > > You mean, existing C++98 code? I'm curious, How? C++11 code, > > of course. > > Yes, even existing C++98 code, if you happen to get a moved-from container > from beyond an ABI that internally uses C++11. > .... Yes. But we were not talking about the same thing... I was talking about time machine :( About *C++11* moved-from state, I have no comment. -- Zhihao Yuan, ID lichray The best way to predict the future is to invent it. ___________________________________________________ 4BSD -- http://bit.ly/blog4bsd -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to std-proposals+unsubscribe@isocpp.org. To post to this group, send email to std-proposals@isocpp.org. 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On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 6:57 PM, Ville Voutilainen <ville.voutilainen@gmail.com> wrote:
O= n 12 August 2014 01:55, Zhihao Yuan <zy= @miator.net> wrote:
>> This has nothing to do with any students. Treating moved-from obje= cts
>> as destroyed _does_ break existing code, and I'm not talking a= bout
>> school assignments.
> You mean, existing C++98 code? =C2=A0I'm curious, How? =C2=A0C++11= code,
> of course.

Yes, even existing C++98 code, if you happen to get a moved-from cont= ainer
from beyond an ABI that internally uses C++11.

... Yes.=C2=A0 But we were not talking about= the same thing... I was talking
about = time machine :(

About *C++11* moved-from state, I have= no comment.

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Zhihao Yuan, ID= lichray
The best way to predict the future is to invent it.
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