220 11539 article Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Krauss Newsgroups: gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals Subject: Re: Feedback to n3940 [Filesystem] Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 17:43:29 +0800 Lines: 62 Approved: news@gmane.org Message-ID: References: <539D8898.1030103@gmx.de> <9fe25f12-aef5-4e1e-a9ef-e4f47391ad6b@isocpp.org> <539F41FB.4040601@gmx.de> <72d0e0dd-477e-40cb-b0b8-3c8e154cb43f@isocpp.org> <6d7b8bf6-170a-40af-ae94-802bfbd091bf@isocpp.org> <6d07a6d0-7bab-4273-87a2-4ba132e2a97a@isocpp.org> <53A54F81.2010807@gmx.de> Reply-To: std-proposals@isocpp.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.2\)) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_CBDC72A2-6F00-4278-9586-79491991DB66" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1403343821 22223 80.91.229.3 (21 Jun 2014 09:43:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 09:43:41 +0000 (UTC) To: std-proposals@isocpp.org Original-X-From: std-proposals+bncBCW25A7E3QCRBQ5HSWOQKGQE2EF6XAY@isocpp.org Sat Jun 21 11:43:34 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: gclcip-std-proposals@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from mail-pb0-f69.google.com ([209.85.160.69]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WyHpd-0003d9-Te for gclcip-std-proposals@m.gmane.org; Sat, 21 Jun 2014 11:43:34 +0200 Original-Received: by mail-pb0-f69.google.com with SMTP id uo5sf17091995pbc.0 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2014 02:43:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date :references:to:in-reply-to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=+JdvYvPH2BqqNXAcLrBvqEXy4+E2/qiUUbOUYuuvdgg=; b=X3a2pdA9Eo61KnYkKsAoAkdi/WBioM0yGonJpjS5bjpqadc6Dc024LealHc2KwAMAA o+CGslw0SwH5dv2aEqvAyi1czQS8GJ44E6abrnICK99Lk3zsilZR+GZ2qFgA00iWn4Yg 6qN6Lu320MipGN9EcqdtxHnlFDw5Qv+TWKXh8iY7K5BkA9xdxtwysDM4FSMTHxX56d77 HREWK/ZJhJk7Da6D1ol76v4yBXgsI7+vyupq9Eg5csyN93ig68VWQjVtxgSV0pLFZNDi zeEl6QRrem83kiMgPSk9hTfrVOelJ5ITcaLYPLFG9s6AD20BPSy1Wxkm4C/EZhEYeB2K I51w== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkhWUmozKdXBq9tSRf0sTOSaQd0cPTPKZzzqlFlhq6QQ/QIhu4wLdD61DyIS2VwS+0rrtRF X-Received: by 10.66.138.17 with SMTP id qm17mr3903292pab.34.1403343812125; Sat, 21 Jun 2014 02:43:32 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: std-proposals@isocpp.org Original-Received: by 10.50.60.101 with SMTP id g5ls698649igr.16.canary; Sat, 21 Jun 2014 02:43:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.68.133.163 with SMTP id pd3mr11523820pbb.166.1403343811253; Sat, 21 Jun 2014 02:43:31 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from mail-pd0-x234.google.com (mail-pd0-x234.google.com [2607:f8b0:400e:c02::234]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f5si13285543pat.101.2014.06.21.02.43.31 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 21 Jun 2014 02:43:31 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of potswa@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400e:c02::234 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400e:c02::234; Original-Received: by mail-pd0-f180.google.com with SMTP id fp1so3792584pdb.25 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2014 02:43:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.66.142.135 with SMTP id rw7mr11891774pab.71.1403343811110; Sat, 21 Jun 2014 02:43:31 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [172.20.10.2] ([121.54.54.61]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id cz3sm17326838pbc.9.2014.06.21.02.43.29 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 21 Jun 2014 02:43:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <53A54F81.2010807@gmx.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.2) X-Original-Sender: potswa@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of potswa@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400e:c02::234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=potswa@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list std-proposals@isocpp.org; contact std-proposals+owners@isocpp.org List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 399137483710 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals:11539 Archived-At: --Apple-Mail=_CBDC72A2-6F00-4278-9586-79491991DB66 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 2014-06-21, at 5:25 PM, Markus Mayer wrote: > imho, permissions() is quite useless. It only tells you what permissions the owner/groups/other have. But not who is the owner(...). It is like saying: "There is someone who has the keys to your car, but I don't know who it is." Are permissions (and user identity) really part of a filesystem any more than string processing is, since filenames are strings? Perhaps these capabilities should be part of a security and authentication library, even a ridiculously rudimentary one. A stub library just to give class user a home is better than filesystem feature creep. -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to std-proposals+unsubscribe@isocpp.org. To post to this group, send email to std-proposals@isocpp.org. 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On 2014&= ndash;06–21, at 5:25 PM, Markus Mayer <lotharlutz@gmx.de> wrote:

imho, permissions() is quite useless= .. It only tells you what permissions the owner/groups/other have. But not w= ho is the owner(...). It is like saying: "There is someone who has the keys= to your car, but I don't know who it is.”

Are permissions (and user identity) really part of a filesystem any = more than string processing is, since filenames are strings?

= Perhaps these capabilities should be part of a security and authentication = library, even a ridiculously rudimentary one. A stub library just to give <= font face=3D"Courier">class user a home is better than filesystem fe= ature creep.

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