220 11514 <1637574.pseYy3mINv@tjmaciei-mobl4> article Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thiago Macieira Newsgroups: gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals Subject: Re: Re: Controversy and debate: Uninitialized variables by default is a bug Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 14:34:10 -0700 Lines: 27 Approved: news@gmane.org Message-ID: <1637574.pseYy3mINv@tjmaciei-mobl4> References: <60caa4ef-b32d-40fe-97b6-8918fbb2bd51@isocpp.org> <349eba3f-0165-477b-bb4a-9aa5fc685af3@isocpp.org> Reply-To: std-proposals@isocpp.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1403127262 19132 80.91.229.3 (18 Jun 2014 21:34:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 21:34:22 +0000 (UTC) To: std-proposals@isocpp.org Original-X-From: std-proposals+bncBCB4TK757YBRBVULRCOQKGQE2OBJQBA@isocpp.org Wed Jun 18 23:34:16 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: gclcip-std-proposals@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from mail-wi0-f198.google.com ([209.85.212.198]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WxNUl-0003ug-Fg for gclcip-std-proposals@m.gmane.org; Wed, 18 Jun 2014 23:34:15 +0200 Original-Received: by mail-wi0-f198.google.com with SMTP id r20sf1069863wiv.5 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2014 14:34:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-transfer-encoding:content-type; bh=YybbcdLFjLcR5j57vfzYuCJWTEdauM4WT53kMF7QYBM=; b=a8A6O81jkpPxmq6r3QMJhcHobSJcUZFRYC1CFPkPsqGkYQseWhJlucxlTmD6agj+Kx eZylX43lh1dKC3v/uUA06t9e7Kgg7Rzp3FKBl+OY3454U2ONHBWf766/L0JeJm0Nk4h+ jc+IknU+1Wafii/izCmXjyFT6kTNxkw0xnbRqc9CEgFCdmpJulxOFp7Vfv6UEFC/XR5S cx1obHjWfNHUFBbjupd2VqeiGxCSMwtIapej4nnhZ9REqiF2B9cwcaAIysHc0FEVQF44 5koD2XvzUhxdTunnrw7gv9KuxjEpNhIDR/8lxk51yNVMWCYH1KNAaqhpnDjgXA/Okb16 roW X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnw/7frd3dsjZuauQ3osPrJ5nfvhH1FWV9nr6r6bWZU2CI/2ctmVx3Tjah6BuXmI+H8rlq7 X-Received: by 10.180.82.134 with SMTP id i6mr69217wiy.1.1403127255055; Wed, 18 Jun 2014 14:34:15 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: std-proposals@isocpp.org Original-Received: by 10.180.24.72 with SMTP id s8ls670389wif.31.canary; Wed, 18 Jun 2014 14:34:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.194.11.74 with SMTP id o10mr706234wjb.82.1403127254114; Wed, 18 Jun 2014 14:34:14 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from gondolin.macieira.info (gondolin.macieira.info. [2a01:4f8:d13:f81:21c:14ff:fe01:12a3]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id i9si4699811wjr.31.2014.06.18.14.34.13 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2014 14:34:13 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of thiago@macieira.org designates 2a01:4f8:d13:f81:21c:14ff:fe01:12a3 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a01:4f8:d13:f81:21c:14ff:fe01:12a3; Original-Received: from tjmaciei-mobl4.localnet (jfdmzpr05-ext.jf.intel.com [134.134.139.74]) by gondolin.macieira.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1668A11A77D for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2014 14:34:13 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: KMail/4.13 (Linux/3.11.10-11-desktop; KDE/4.13.0; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: thiago@macieira.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of thiago@macieira.org designates 2a01:4f8:d13:f81:21c:14ff:fe01:12a3 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=thiago@macieira.org Precedence: list Mailing-list: list std-proposals@isocpp.org; contact std-proposals+owners@isocpp.org List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 399137483710 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals:11514 Archived-At: Em qua 18 jun 2014, =E0s 13:39:39, Lawrence Crowl escreveu: > Alas, things are not quite so simple. In C, "int i;" at global > scope is a tentative definition. That is, it is a definition only > in the absence of a stronger definition. Constructs like this may > still appear in systems headers. Only in C mode. Such a code already is a full definition in C++, since C++ = does=20 not support "common" definitions. --=20 Thiago Macieira - thiago (AT) macieira.info - thiago (AT) kde.org Software Architect - Intel Open Source Technology Center PGP/GPG: 0x6EF45358; fingerprint: E067 918B B660 DBD1 105C 966C 33F5 F005 6EF4 5358 --=20 ---=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to std-proposals+unsubscribe@isocpp.org. To post to this group, send email to std-proposals@isocpp.org. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/a/isocpp.org/group/std-proposa= ls/. .