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[2a01:4f8:d13:f81:21c:14ff:fe01:12a3]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id uq8si25109115wjc.81.2014.06.17.09.59.32 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 09:59:32 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of thiago@macieira.org designates 2a01:4f8:d13:f81:21c:14ff:fe01:12a3 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a01:4f8:d13:f81:21c:14ff:fe01:12a3; Original-Received: from tjmaciei-mobl4.localnet (unknown [IPv6:2601:7:1c80:c86:85f:720c:6802:1fea]) by gondolin.macieira.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 99D1511A17E for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 09:59:31 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: KMail/4.13 (Linux/3.11.10-11-desktop; KDE/4.13.0; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <438c8d34-c59d-42b2-ac81-6053f3a15e92@isocpp.org> X-Original-Sender: thiago@macieira.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of thiago@macieira.org designates 2a01:4f8:d13:f81:21c:14ff:fe01:12a3 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=thiago@macieira.org Precedence: list Mailing-list: list std-proposals@isocpp.org; contact std-proposals+owners@isocpp.org List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 399137483710 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals:11495 Archived-At: Em ter 17 jun 2014, =E0s 09:27:35, Matthew Fioravante escreveu: > If you believe this to impact performance, and want to be unsafe (in the= =20 > case that someone adds and passes in a new enum value tomorrow to your=20 > library), you can say int x =3D void here.=20 If we were designing a new language with no existing codebase, I'd definite= ly=20 agree with you. Changing C++ some 40 years after the fact (if we can include the C legacy) = is=20 a no-go. --=20 Thiago Macieira - thiago (AT) macieira.info - thiago (AT) kde.org Software Architect - Intel Open Source Technology Center PGP/GPG: 0x6EF45358; fingerprint: E067 918B B660 DBD1 105C 966C 33F5 F005 6EF4 5358 --=20 ---=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to std-proposals+unsubscribe@isocpp.org. To post to this group, send email to std-proposals@isocpp.org. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/a/isocpp.org/group/std-proposa= ls/. .