220 11488 article Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nevin Liber Newsgroups: gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals Subject: Re: Controversy and debate: Uninitialized variables by default is a bug Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 18:12:51 +0200 Lines: 66 Approved: news@gmane.org Message-ID: References: <60caa4ef-b32d-40fe-97b6-8918fbb2bd51@isocpp.org> <91f8064b-a08a-4a23-98f4-f3ccde0a2213@isocpp.org> <1e8f77f3-a3f4-42fd-83dd-caf266b35c01@isocpp.org> Reply-To: std-proposals@isocpp.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1134c904c0d85e04fc0a6c30 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1403021620 18377 80.91.229.3 (17 Jun 2014 16:13:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 16:13:40 +0000 (UTC) To: "std-proposals@isocpp.org" Original-X-From: std-proposals+bncBCE35H5S6IDBBK6SQGOQKGQETYXL6ZI@isocpp.org Tue Jun 17 18:13:34 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: gclcip-std-proposals@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from mail-la0-f72.google.com ([209.85.215.72]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Www0r-0003Ex-3b for gclcip-std-proposals@m.gmane.org; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 18:13:33 +0200 Original-Received: by mail-la0-f72.google.com with SMTP id e16sf2202788lan.11 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 09:13:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=DldT3pTgqmSXIFBCDfOJd8fX4uA2wm+dmTNxRdczcVM=; b=HQjfAFQM/RECtYLzbIR6wq8oEhS2sZ3+IDTvqNIzmd/AiH2RmSZVR7FslNGrKR4Olc b89K1nQxe4hdHUSyl3s86PBfk3dp2GUFR4MyzupUjRQN+UP4dP9Pz0c19Ofjaf85VVTg pROFG39hxsFieDuzz3N/z/ifaf8L2rF3NZ82XE5v++EdQ6HRWNhcFay/BTURx3Im3D7k IZXOmEU6oAUaZUj0W/EQdjGijnClSnJIblEuhSW4QKrHXTsAlJI3AG+6ApibWrmfDsrM 52wtf9hI6bIvNrpnjnDS0HjYs4k6bNmhmdYRqL1MRK46gPFFLto5ImP79ynNaxJgagfY mVwA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkaXv3SzSEnnhoF1ARjRdschs4fVMzc+mvwd7or8duRzgRJYE3wqPUWErvstXzkOjUK6nO+ X-Received: by 10.180.89.70 with SMTP id bm6mr2302777wib.5.1403021612746; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 09:13:32 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: std-proposals@isocpp.org Original-Received: by 10.180.76.75 with SMTP id i11ls465881wiw.16.canary; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 09:13:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.194.59.65 with SMTP id x1mr40062608wjq.60.1403021611422; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 09:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from mail-wi0-x22f.google.com (mail-wi0-x22f.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c05::22f]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hq7si13239091wib.6.2014.06.17.09.13.31 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 17 Jun 2014 09:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nliber@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22f as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::22f; Original-Received: by mail-wi0-f175.google.com with SMTP id r20so6184862wiv.8 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 09:13:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.218.4 with SMTP id pc4mr37882303wic.21.1403021611284; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 09:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Original-Sender: nliber@gmail.com Original-Received: by 10.194.122.71 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 09:12:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1e8f77f3-a3f4-42fd-83dd-caf266b35c01@isocpp.org> X-Original-Sender: nevin@eviloverlord.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nliber@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22f as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nliber@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list std-proposals@isocpp.org; contact std-proposals+owners@isocpp.org List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 399137483710 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals:11488 Archived-At: --001a1134c904c0d85e04fc0a6c30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On 17 June 2014 18:09, Matthew Fioravante wrote: > After this idea it will still do the same thing. Not sure how a benchmark > is needed for that. > You've made a bold, unsubstantiated claim this has no performance implications, and hand wave away anyone who disagrees. This is a question that data quite easily answer, and anyone making performance claims ought to have it. -- Nevin ":-)" Liber (847) 691-1404 -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to std-proposals+unsubscribe@isocpp.org. To post to this group, send email to std-proposals@isocpp.org. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/a/isocpp.org/group/std-proposals/. --001a1134c904c0d85e04fc0a6c30 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 17 June 2014 18:09, Matthew Fioravante <fmatthew5= 876@gmail.com> wrote:
=C2=A0After this idea it wi= ll still do the same thing. Not sure how a benchmark is needed for that.

You've made a bold, unsubstantiated claim this has = no performance implications, and hand wave away anyone who disagrees. =C2= =A0This is a question that data quite easily answer, and anyone making perf= ormance claims ought to have it.
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