220 11307 <1BB8CA6E-C942-4D23-A74B-877B0064BFF7@gmail.com> article Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Krauss Newsgroups: gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals Subject: Re: Re: Comments on n3976 (array_view) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 08:52:19 +0800 Lines: 81 Approved: news@gmane.org Message-ID: <1BB8CA6E-C942-4D23-A74B-877B0064BFF7@gmail.com> References: <7177de96-50e1-4590-99dc-eda255203f26@isocpp.org> <5ff6c439-3147-4d5f-809a-8adf86c17dc4@isocpp.org> Reply-To: std-proposals@isocpp.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.2\)) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_1A546EF8-3BED-46EE-96FD-6D016888B090" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1402707157 9226 80.91.229.3 (14 Jun 2014 00:52:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 00:52:37 +0000 (UTC) To: std-proposals@isocpp.org Original-X-From: std-proposals+bncBCW25A7E3QCRBS5Z52OAKGQE2YITJRI@isocpp.org Sat Jun 14 02:52:30 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: gclcip-std-proposals@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from mail-pb0-f70.google.com ([209.85.160.70]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WvcCq-0007UM-RG for gclcip-std-proposals@m.gmane.org; Sat, 14 Jun 2014 02:52:29 +0200 Original-Received: by mail-pb0-f70.google.com with SMTP id rp16sf8210741pbb.9 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 17:52:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date :references:to:in-reply-to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=AOGIZIID470PrqAW6Pml5y+/ISwSW8WsxfFia2tWh9g=; b=db+Ho9kashZw6qCAm/ufN0049Igsnvzt09vW/6p53OJF39w95lX7Vfh822bOGczRiN XCb+INcFbsoh2iH+751zwKHVpnshMUzpWCXZpU+BG4JHsT6wOu/WUAY9bJzvT0391KYI Tsu3yWMdNn/wopwu6naZq0tILRjOmf8PdDcrvE8qHpVVkV9aWEmcxT24u/AGruLZYBuM 2bEZbWBD31MP97HN1UeEBXs3cBUwAjoZy80hjq4hKuHNjWpkonVFe4gDMQiUr6o55tmy n3mrT9esV9M7OdSf5XGsoS9hQFE6FfqHXA4UQVux2iL7vGIiph3bprjq/rWg2rT6fDwn Y/YQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQm3KLlgOdiwfXIMuwyPKGjx7T/NYQ5Yha1mRzmFecdjj3mnbDjeffDUeFqE3nYzSj1iVdXR X-Received: by 10.67.1.205 with SMTP id bi13mr414319pad.35.1402707147724; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 17:52:27 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: std-proposals@isocpp.org Original-Received: by 10.50.138.98 with SMTP id qp2ls11290igb.41.canary; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 17:52:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.68.94.66 with SMTP id da2mr7252858pbb.106.1402707146798; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 17:52:26 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from mail-pb0-x236.google.com (mail-pb0-x236.google.com [2607:f8b0:400e:c01::236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id nr2si3743908pbc.145.2014.06.13.17.52.26 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 13 Jun 2014 17:52:26 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of potswa@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400e:c01::236 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400e:c01::236; Original-Received: by mail-pb0-f54.google.com with SMTP id jt11so2644253pbb.27 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 17:52:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.66.224.38 with SMTP id qz6mr7143377pac.153.1402707146674; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 17:52:26 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [172.20.10.2] ([121.54.54.132]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id kn1sm5790726pbd.13.2014.06.13.17.52.22 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 13 Jun 2014 17:52:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.2) X-Original-Sender: potswa@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of potswa@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400e:c01::236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=potswa@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list std-proposals@isocpp.org; contact std-proposals+owners@isocpp.org List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 399137483710 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals:11307 Archived-At: --Apple-Mail=_1A546EF8-3BED-46EE-96FD-6D016888B090 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 2014-06-14, at 7:56 AM, Sean Middleditch wrote: > Adding a bunch of cruft that is planned to be obsoleted with an update > right around the corner seems like a waste of time and needless bloat > to the library for no practical gain. A new way to deal with ranges may be nice, but folks aren't suddenly going = to cease current practices and rewrite all existing code. "Obsolete" is not= an apt term. I'll believe ranges are worth changing for when I see them. I doubt the dif= ference will be so significant. In that case, at best they'll be an equival= ent, alternative style used by fans of novelty and half of everyone else, a= nd at worst they'll be shoved down my throat because the rest of the librar= y is neglected. Perhaps I'll be won over. But I've written a lot of iterator code and the c= urrent style never bothered me. --=20 ---=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to std-proposals+unsubscribe@isocpp.org. To post to this group, send email to std-proposals@isocpp.org. 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On 2014&= ndash;06–14, at 7:56 AM, Sean Middleditch <sean@middleditch.us> wrote:

Adding a bunch of cruft that= is planned to be obsoleted with an update
right around the corner seems= like a waste of time and needless bloat
to the library for no practical= gain.

A new way to deal with ranges = may be nice, but folks aren’t suddenly going to cease current practic= es and rewrite all existing code. “Obsolete” is not an apt term= ..

I’ll believe ranges are worth changing for when= I see them. I doubt the difference will be so significant. In that case, a= t best they’ll be an equivalent, alternative style used by fans of no= velty and half of everyone else, and at worst they’ll be shoved down = my throat because the rest of the library is neglected.

Perhaps I’ll be won over. But I’ve written a lot of itera= tor code and the current style never bothered me.

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