220 10451 <472e3f34-283f-41ff-8fc8-72ab274188f0@isocpp.org> article Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: maksimpustovoyt@gmail.com Newsgroups: gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals Subject: Re: code generation by compiler Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 10:07:18 -0700 (PDT) Lines: 175 Approved: news@gmane.org Message-ID: <472e3f34-283f-41ff-8fc8-72ab274188f0@isocpp.org> References: <5745d5cb-e5c3-46e5-a1c6-6d767d55dd42@isocpp.org> <34842E7E-1C50-4309-A3BC-66774AD03335@gmail.com> <29652a0f-b829-4e58-ac40-cc6dec2ddce8@isocpp.org> Reply-To: std-proposals@isocpp.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_241_32809783.1398877639371" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1398877647 12536 80.91.229.3 (30 Apr 2014 17:07:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 17:07:27 +0000 (UTC) To: std-proposals@isocpp.org Original-X-From: std-proposals+bncBCRP3Q4MT4MRBSG3QSNQKGQESVGG32I@isocpp.org Wed Apr 30 19:07:21 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: gclcip-std-proposals@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from mail-qg0-f70.google.com ([209.85.192.70]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WfXyb-0003xq-BP for gclcip-std-proposals@m.gmane.org; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 19:07:21 +0200 Original-Received: by mail-qg0-f70.google.com with SMTP id z60sf2967419qgd.1 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 10:07:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=ZSElFKzZdMbwm20mlOXiZtyUtbGOHYVmwmruc2J8TJk=; b=JY0rfPNaAcEA+iYOGIpE7Pz8LM5UVrVTkXQ4TA5BK1kr1FOd5P/1ZCC1MEe7PR7Lyh X4H/EX0Wt9SwqPwMw7kMIIVgJPEHdAs8VKlyjkdOC4kue/kFC7XiN1S8Hm0QgbGBA/6U ox3qAENhGSx6QtDyPGuhi6T8ChMEAw7RNyWGhyqJii6Mw457uoesJf0Nj0UQQHWTF12C vwTalmSoBPudupUJ3cyYBAhGe7lm7jvXLopoXTh69VYl0Ikgt5qInZb/NvMhCF1l+7Kt ee1PekumwH8ciHZ6a5Q94dL5+m+ZLOUHcUf07bvrBaW4Ra8wfMnkmifxOePQnDGjyVf3 4hFg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references :subject:mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ZSElFKzZdMbwm20mlOXiZtyUtbGOHYVmwmruc2J8TJk=; b=ho82jUwpRq5aWgrNxnYmjzyp4hJZkqlduYOE2U4kyHrnrZbDCVBwFjzS59JLb5rZlF dY65YQ7eh2flPCxVhDQqo5eQUCN8Nf8XUgtNqdBumswEyt6kPP/TVpgt2keRMaKFVT21 LUKUec4zxrF90HSpRoIIVs0hxGvo/8RH8HPY0mgkB7FmxTF+7nR4UfrSGbXejsLmJ4Qi 7cASQgeKQ8LLujJyo5dAI+me6SDF0EcSY5OwfaMrALs0GEzRclvToLWO0/TyutCW8Uka SM/TF7zFDImzXTBanv+pWUek9xGeatJJ9F/oZ5BiC1u9aOq/yDBNVPc69E5AfiyuFG4z SxXQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQm6Lh4dIKyO0Yq81h3NEfGPOTX2rfBQxqL06dnul0SUiStocGWx3BJIATAVsDNa7twIL3er X-Received: by 10.58.178.81 with SMTP id cw17mr2772489vec.37.1398877640568; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 10:07:20 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: std-proposals@isocpp.org Original-Received: by 10.182.131.233 with SMTP id op9ls379778obb.89.gmail; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 10:07:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.182.111.170 with SMTP id ij10mr42907obb.18.1398877639852; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 10:07:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: maksimpustovoyt@gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list std-proposals@isocpp.org; contact std-proposals+owners@isocpp.org List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 399137483710 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals:10451 Archived-At: ------=_Part_241_32809783.1398877639371 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Agreed with "Reflection" part. It should be c++. Why do I have to go to=20 another language when it's possible to extend c++ standard? On Wednesday, April 30, 2014 10:13:13 AM UTC-4, minchul park wrote: > > Without first-class integration with language-supported reflection, there= =20 > is fundamentally no difference between usual code generation technique an= d=20 > this proposal. If so, I'd use an another language which has much better= =20 > text template engine for the purpose, rather than C/C++. > > > On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 10:33 PM, > wrote= : > >> >> >> On Thursday, May 1, 2014 12:57:45 AM UTC+12, Klaim - Jo=C3=ABl Lamotte w= rote: >> >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 2:46 PM, wrote: >>> >>>> I *hate* meta programming....=20 >>> >>> >>> I suppose it's C++ syntaxe for meta programming that you don't actuall= y=20 >>> like. >>> >>> Well, I'd be unwell if I did like the syntax I think. I am looking=20 >> forward to Concepts. >> I believe it they will make me enjoy being a user of existing templates= =20 >> more. >> I'm intrigued to know if they or whatever follows them will make me writ= e=20 >> templates more. >> >> Anything that reduces the cache of template errors has got to be good=20 >> though. >> =20 >> --=20 >> >> ---=20 >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s=20 >> "ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send a= n=20 >> email to std-proposal...@isocpp.org . >> To post to this group, send email to std-pr...@isocpp.org . >> Visit this group at=20 >> http://groups.google.com/a/isocpp.org/group/std-proposals/. >> > > > > --=20 > Min-chul Park (summer...@gmail.com /=20 > http://summerlight.tistory.com) > =20 --=20 ---=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. 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Agreed with "Reflection" part. It should be c++. Why do I = have to go to another language when it's possible to extend c++ standard?
On Wednesday, April 30, 2014 10:13:13 AM UTC-4, minchul park wrote:
Without first-c= lass integration with language-supported reflection, there is fundamentally= no difference between usual code generation technique and this proposal. I= f so, I'd use an another language which has much better text template engin= e for the purpose, rather than C/C++.


On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 10:33 PM, = <gmis...@gmail.co= m> wrote:


On Thursday, May 1, 2014 12:57:45 AM UTC+12, Klaim= - Jo=C3=ABl Lamotte wrote:

On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 a= t 2:46 PM, <gmis...@gmail.com> wrote= :
I *hate* meta programming.... 

I suppose it's C+= + syntaxe for meta programming that you  don't actually like.

Well, I'd be unwell if I did like=  the syntax I think. I am looking forward to Concepts.
I believe it they will make me enjoy being a user of existing tem= plates more.
I'm intrigued to know if they or whatever follo= ws them will make me write templates more.

Anythin= g that reduces the cache of template errors has got to be good th= ough.

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