220 9286 article Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?Q?Klaim_=2D_Jo=C3=ABl_Lamotte?= Newsgroups: gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals Subject: Re: Precise Per-Type Cyclic Garbage Collection (DRAFT 1) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 18:34:52 +0000 Lines: 68 Approved: news@gmane.org Message-ID: References: Reply-To: std-proposals@isocpp.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0122991a4c3c8904f225b66c X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1392143690 15435 80.91.229.3 (11 Feb 2014 18:34:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 18:34:50 +0000 (UTC) To: std-proposals@isocpp.org Original-X-From: std-proposals+bncBD3NR2WQQ4IBBTO25GLQKGQEHL3GKUI@isocpp.org Tue Feb 11 19:34:59 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: gclcip-std-proposals@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from mail-ob0-f197.google.com ([209.85.214.197]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WDIAZ-0006Ug-97 for gclcip-std-proposals@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Feb 2014 19:34:55 +0100 Original-Received: by mail-ob0-f197.google.com with SMTP id gq1sf32059575obb.8 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2014 10:34:54 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=mHrzwyybbHJYNpFvIua5r/61WvHF1J+aL7PBYxlWGHw=; b=JXHlmOHw1oeEyiO9GpPQ9hrSCXgvEPpYVSMu8gDZ+UmF00OjJRcmAFx61PdcKb2twL 0qe5DKolFHLq+UNw1QMzSWS1crSYGAzvmHhIkpj7gCOMEor6fON83Z8lTL1YeY8UMvXT t2k54mSUVMKuCSFBMYKesh6x86iZujFMBqOgNfP7DJlB1tDhTqNvxPkN8WHPwknhVSLA LOS7+l1bdXXO6M3ElKNMjVRtyKeG95sXEkd3x+rqqldRFWHkM8shb4soc+hfPMfTbUQK Eh+MxhdfjWrqfP+iQqMe148f2E7CT1NVxUuKPcsWni+U7OS3jM1HlpA/6CSILzDx9ipL cUvg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQk3RBy+Ex0T4y8K+k5mJ12OFdf5TG2tk78b/nCA8bDt4I2FjVb0k3+GONCtEb3mCRe8I6ec X-Received: by 10.182.87.2 with SMTP id t2mr54398obz.2.1392143693983; Tue, 11 Feb 2014 10:34:53 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: std-proposals@isocpp.org Original-Received: by 10.182.22.200 with SMTP id g8ls1151362obf.30.gmail; Tue, 11 Feb 2014 10:34:53 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.60.165.72 with SMTP id yw8mr1334686oeb.71.1392143693158; Tue, 11 Feb 2014 10:34:53 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from mail-ob0-x22d.google.com (mail-ob0-x22d.google.com [2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22d]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id eo3si3520497oeb.78.2014.02.11.10.34.53 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 11 Feb 2014 10:34:53 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mjklaim@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22d as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22d; Original-Received: by mail-ob0-f173.google.com with SMTP id vb8so9216667obc.4 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2014 10:34:53 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.60.94.52 with SMTP id cz20mr8360729oeb.43.1392143693001; Tue, 11 Feb 2014 10:34:53 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.76.20.209 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Feb 2014 10:34:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: mjklaim@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mjklaim@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22d as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mjklaim@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list std-proposals@isocpp.org; contact std-proposals+owners@isocpp.org List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 399137483710 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals:9286 Archived-At: --089e0122991a4c3c8904f225b66c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi, here are a few questions about this proposal: 1. This proposal is about a language extension, but seems (if I didn't miss anything) to ignore C++11 minimal garbage collection hooks as explained by Stroustrup there: http://www.stroustrup.com/C++11FAQ.html#gc-abi Did you take this into account? 2. Acronyms are harder to interpret, even in this case. Instead of 'gc', I would suggest 'collected' (which is the adjective you use to describe what the keyword does to the type) 3. How do you expect generic algorithm developers to work with types which can't be manipulated through iterators/ranges? 4. Did you consider attaching the garbage collecting logic to specific instances instead of types? -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to std-proposals+unsubscribe@isocpp.org. To post to this group, send email to std-proposals@isocpp.org. 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Hi, here are a few questions ab= out this proposal:

1. This proposal is about a language extension, but seems (if = I didn't miss anything) to ignore C++11 minimal garbage collection hook= s
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 as explained by Stroustrup there:= =C2=A0http://www= ..stroustrup.com/C++11FAQ.html#gc-abi
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Did you take this= into account?

2. Acronyms are harder to interpret, even in this cas= e.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Instead of 'gc', I would suggest 'collected' = (which is the adjective you use to describe what the keyword does to the ty= pe)

3.= How do you expect generic algorithm developers to work with types which ca= n't be manipulated through iterators/ranges?
=C2=A0 =C2=A0
4.= Did you consider attaching the garbage collecting logic to specific instan= ces instead of types?

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