220 7799 <0568592a-2a34-4bdd-9b51-84e8931499e2@isocpp.org> article Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Daryle Walker Newsgroups: gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals Subject: Re: Proposal to add C99 designated initializers to C++ Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 09:11:02 -0800 (PST) Lines: 110 Approved: news@gmane.org Message-ID: <0568592a-2a34-4bdd-9b51-84e8931499e2@isocpp.org> References: <2bc88f8b-9059-4b36-ab81-e59a725350fb@isocpp.org> Reply-To: std-proposals@isocpp.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1999_26009333.1384708262741" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1384708368 11931 80.91.229.3 (17 Nov 2013 17:12:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 17:12:48 +0000 (UTC) To: std-proposals@isocpp.org Original-X-From: std-proposals+bncBDS6X4FNQMPBBJ7RUOKAKGQEBEB57BY@isocpp.org Sun Nov 17 18:12:55 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: gclcip-std-proposals@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from mail-ie0-f197.google.com ([209.85.223.197]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Vi5u2-0004LU-I2 for gclcip-std-proposals@m.gmane.org; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 18:12:54 +0100 Original-Received: by mail-ie0-f197.google.com with SMTP id e14sf285672iej.4 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 09:12:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=8A8tJ9P/eD47iZru/vOsYrLn4UBzB4IamYMfxG6fHUQ=; b=FbS4GqpdpahH1Q626fVdsVgKHx889zubB3U89IOD2ypcQGkawyEvH+7veRHA3r2vrB t83QQt6p3rpo7DXR+zxvrMqdcCBXV7H6gWrw16wVUPOIuiRIVzLB2vmQ2bH5VmpheFrX hsrhNHzbp6HNXGs6ns1vrU3htIGRF5IN+amtZriQklenffR7cdI4FKnIZKY0PY8BlCh2 KTPZNOrct7FdetoA/t/c7owC1vhU41rse+kLZe9tbOBlrvlc5EhhZVgM4VWELDthvTMR OFfPpgJuqa/96Q+At0/flAuIY+aXqJv/8etGzR/USfGC88YswLXgfsJft/qsmqht1uDy t9vw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references :subject:mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=8A8tJ9P/eD47iZru/vOsYrLn4UBzB4IamYMfxG6fHUQ=; b=D11nQ4Y3F9Kdb6BEnY5rIQeo8Tx6Iy6fFey6V/HwgPIRB05psPOovl8kao5Clh7hQT aXX+rVfSn2vP++Z7RCtQ3Czm1YCW7f/+fGlrLugJ+AOpr8CZEkUYt4wWs804hVYkf0Ct PWxSaThWTg+t2PF3Hf5wGj8qZkqdOZppppOQetmalstrXiZS/LkHVbJLDO2HN8TcsuaU O8NVrvkeJDouZal2YjzqcD04pCm+IAbzpBQoJ7I+mItfAztMABg7qN2jpq7LF1jQP6rq JsBzsl972DqtWIgynWN1jUWW+Ua0//CmK6Bl7cunyUHwxBk8EBrXE5OA0vK0phvp4tBT er3Q== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkDxaqLoA+Fo6ukDWh1adlI2Y5R7y+4VCVrQVLhvs3Qcrdpb3bOpAgSFfoLifVGzm5XSuB6 X-Received: by 10.182.88.200 with SMTP id bi8mr41296obb.43.1384708373016; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 09:12:53 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: std-proposals@isocpp.org Original-Received: by 10.182.128.130 with SMTP id no2ls1249033obb.88.gmail; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 09:11:03 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.182.72.225 with SMTP id g1mr160907obv.7.1384708263256; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 09:11:03 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <2bc88f8b-9059-4b36-ab81-e59a725350fb@isocpp.org> X-Original-Sender: darylew@gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list std-proposals@isocpp.org; contact std-proposals+owners@isocpp.org List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 399137483710 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals:7799 Archived-At: ------=_Part_1999_26009333.1384708262741 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I uploaded a third version (2013-Nov-17). I shortened at lot of the prose about which sub-objects can be targeted and how to find the target object for a given initializer into two huge paragraphs, and they're more integrated. I got rid of some of my more clunky terms, plus "brace elision." I hope you can understand the text that replaces the brace elision idea. On Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:57:10 AM UTC-5, Daryle Walker wrote: > > I uploaded a new version (2013-Nov-14). > I completely redid the new paragraphs. I went beyond paragraph 4 of section > 8.5.1 and covered the entire section. Am I justified in removing the > sections I suggested? Should the ones I didn't mention be altered? What > about 8.5.1/8? Is 8.5.1/I took much of a ripoff of 8.5.4/4? > > I added changes to sections 8.5.4 and 14.5.3, but I don't know if those > are good enough. And what about 8.5.1/8? > > I need more examples, especially ones that replace that deleted ones. > (Make sure to mention which new section/paragraph they go with.) > > On Friday, November 8, 2013 5:48:15 AM UTC-5, Daryle Walker wrote: >> >> [Excuse any mistakes from me doing an all-nighter to get this proposal >> out here.] >> >> I made a proposalon how to have C99's designated initializers in C++. In C, you can precede >> an initializer inside a struct/union or array aggregate with the access >> method ([x] for array elements, ".Whatever" for structs and unions, and can >> mix & match) to get to a specific subobject to be initialized. I had to >> create the text nearly from scratch since C and C++ use very different ways >> to express the same concepts. Plus C++ has to worry about non-dumb classes. >> >> I'd especially like if the crew for Microsoft Visual Studio 2013 took a >> look to see if I described your practice correctly. >> >> Daryle W. >> >> -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to std-proposals+unsubscribe@isocpp.org. To post to this group, send email to std-proposals@isocpp.org. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/a/isocpp.org/group/std-proposals/. ------=_Part_1999_26009333.1384708262741 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I uploaded a third version (2013-Nov-17). I shortened at lot of the pros= e about which sub-objects can be targeted and how to find the target object= for a given initializer into two huge paragraphs, and they're more integra= ted. I got rid of some of my more clunky terms, plus "brace elision." I hop= e you can understand the text that replaces the brace elision idea.

= On Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:57:10 AM UTC-5, Daryle Walker wrote:
I uploaded a new version (2013-Nov-= 14). I completely redid the new paragraphs. I went beyond paragraph 4 o= f section 8.5.1 and covered the entire section. Am I justified in removing = the sections I suggested? Should the ones I didn't mention be altered? What= about 8.5.1/8? Is 8.5.1/I took much of a ripoff of 8.5.4/4?

I added= changes to sections 8.5.4 and 14.5.3, but I don't know if those are good e= nough. And what about 8.5.1/8?

I need more examples, especially ones= that replace that deleted ones. (Make sure to mention which new section/pa= ragraph they go with.)

On Friday, November 8, 2013 5:48:15 AM UTC-5,= Daryle Walker wrote:
[Ex= cuse any mistakes from me doing an all-nighter to get this proposal out her= e.]

I made a proposal on how to have C99's des= ignated initializers in C++. In C, you can precede an initializer inside a = struct/union or array aggregate with the access method ([x] for array eleme= nts, ".Whatever" for structs and unions, and can mix & match) to get to= a specific subobject to be initialized. I had to create the text nearly fr= om scratch since C and C++ use very different ways to express the same= concepts. Plus C++ has to worry about non-dumb classes.

I'd especially like if the crew for Microsoft Visual Studio 2013 too= k a look to see if I described your practice correctly.

Daryle W.

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