220 7430 <0e98fae6-2dc5-4e50-8659-5334012c4dd4@isocpp.org> article Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Vlad from Moscow Newsgroups: gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals Subject: Re: Re: To add the method append for all sequential containers that have method push_back Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 14:48:29 -0700 (PDT) Lines: 111 Approved: news@gmane.org Message-ID: <0e98fae6-2dc5-4e50-8659-5334012c4dd4@isocpp.org> References: <4167b82e-a3cc-44ce-9825-b52514bc1531@isocpp.org> <357325b0-cec5-4d22-ad56-9bb66f76b458@isocpp.org> <983ff074-5d8c-488a-b06c-49d53d5b7a5b@isocpp.org> <369298d9-3f8b-405a-8bfe-ae209372a26f@isocpp.org> <5266DEEC.7090805@gmail.com> <7c9a2637-65d8-4d54-bd3c-b46c0c22b34f@isocpp.org> <70a718dd-eca7-4845-8e9c-0313581ed453@isocpp.org> <6b9f62b2-21b1-4c62-a815-217d77a59a23@isocpp.org> Reply-To: std-proposals@isocpp.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_523_4838600.1382478509947" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1382478508 28357 80.91.229.3 (22 Oct 2013 21:48:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 21:48:28 +0000 (UTC) To: std-proposals@isocpp.org Original-X-From: std-proposals+bncBCXLLRHD7IDRBL7FTOJQKGQEGSUXUIQ@isocpp.org Tue Oct 22 23:48:33 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: gclcip-std-proposals@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from mail-ve0-f199.google.com ([209.85.128.199]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VYjoW-0004bU-Rk for gclcip-std-proposals@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Oct 2013 23:48:33 +0200 Original-Received: by mail-ve0-f199.google.com with SMTP id c14sf21095809vea.2 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2013 14:48:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=Sw5OMdf6fVx0hH8oxQdqn0TWlVW61xwJtZzb9rScZU4=; b=A1b3fFi24F58ktExyJ/pg4QyD9EQdwGs2RsC4OCcdpN6rEHij5wYhmUjq5LMnuFumw VA94LKIe98oOP+XmsLCFL4l45NrRaJGYe/kIaSS1cFomniiCea3fy+T6gWnNqUxcetYx wf8F6L2aNXJcJ2Q1BkK7lAYisGk7/luAnvR2HD4Oz8d4p2TgaJ/L+KEoSBVydfTwvcKe woGlm9XcpnHB/oM7S41oleDzj7CYkAoZ4mX1iqMcOWVPPgXGv7VqcdCyuCo3lhEpggJ1 P2pl/KgIZN13relwrUzEVbuYO4XkQBbWP6k4LPFlN9CohxOrVzmn2OraTOHoEj6jvikU TmGQ== X-Received: by 10.236.94.205 with SMTP id n53mr25188572yhf.44.1382478511970; Tue, 22 Oct 2013 14:48:31 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: std-proposals@isocpp.org Original-Received: by 10.49.94.68 with SMTP id da4ls250313qeb.24.gmail; Tue, 22 Oct 2013 14:48:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.49.14.132 with SMTP id p4mr698267qec.2.1382478510480; Tue, 22 Oct 2013 14:48:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: vlad.moscow@mail.ru Precedence: list Mailing-list: list std-proposals@isocpp.org; contact std-proposals+owners@isocpp.org List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 399137483710 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals:7430 Archived-At: ------=_Part_523_4838600.1382478509947 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable append should be considered as widening of the semantic of push_back and=20 nothing more. =D3=D2=C5=C4=C1, 23 =CF=CB=D4=D1=C2=D2=D1 2013 =C7., 1:43:13 UTC+4 =D0=CF= =CC=D8=DA=CF=D7=C1=D4=C5=CC=D8 Vlad from Moscow=20 =CE=C1=D0=C9=D3=C1=CC: > > =D3=D2=C5=C4=C1, 23 =CF=CB=D4=D1=C2=D2=D1 2013 =C7., 1:30:52 UTC+4 =D0=CF= =CC=D8=DA=CF=D7=C1=D4=C5=CC=D8 Evgeny Panasyuk=20 > =CE=C1=D0=C9=D3=C1=CC: >> >> I do not like the idea that some non-member functions will be defined=20 >>> only for narrow groups of containers.=20 >>> >> >> Some algorithms (non-member function templates) are defined only for=20 >> narrow groups of ranges. >> There is nothing special in append case. >> =20 >> > =20 >> >>> It will only confuse users. Besides it will look strange that=20 >>> std::forward_list will be excluded from sequantial containers relative = to=20 >>> this function. >>> >> >> There is no surprise - because it supports only part of Sequence=20 >> container requirements - Table 100. >> Moreover - there is no efficient way to implement append for it. >> > =20 > In my opinion it will only confuse users. What about other non-member=20 > functions that couldl be introduced and will deal with nerrow groups of= =20 > containers? append is a property of few containers. It is what distiguish= es=20 > them from other containers. > --=20 ---=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to std-proposals+unsubscribe@isocpp.org. To post to this group, send email to std-proposals@isocpp.org. 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append should be considered as widening of the semant= ic of push_back and nothing more.

=D3=D2=C5=C4=C1, 23 =CF=CB= =D4=D1=C2=D2=D1 2013 =C7., 1:43:13 UTC+4 =D0=CF=CC=D8=DA=CF=D7=C1=D4= =C5=CC=D8 Vlad from Moscow =CE=C1=D0=C9=D3=C1=CC:

=D3=D2=C5=C4=C1, 23 =CF=CB=D4=D1=C2=D2=D1 201= 3 =C7., 1:30:52 UTC+4 =D0=CF=CC=D8=DA=CF=D7=C1=D4=C5=CC=D8 Evgeny Pana= syuk =CE=C1=D0=C9=D3=C1=CC:
I do not like the idea tha= t some non-member functions will be defined only for narrow groups of conta= iners.

Some algorithms (non-member functi= on templates) are defined only for narrow groups of ranges.
There is not= hing special in append case.
 
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It will only confuse users. Besides i= t will look strange that std::forward_list will be excluded from = sequantial containers relative to this function.

There is no surprise - because it supports only part of Sequenc= e container requirements - Table 100.
Moreover - there is no efficient w= ay to implement append for it.
 
In my opinion it will only confuse users. What about other non-m= ember functions that couldl be introduced and will deal with nerrow groups = of containers? append is a property of few containers. It is what dist= iguishes them from other containers.

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