220 5547 article Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Fernando Cacciola Newsgroups: gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals Subject: Re: Re: A library to provide a virtual memory vector of strings Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 17:15:24 -0300 Lines: 133 Approved: news@gmane.org Message-ID: References: <861959e9-74f3-4ed8-aeca-bad9c3256acd@isocpp.org> Reply-To: std-proposals@isocpp.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c3aa2a44c21f04e2479427 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1374696963 21962 80.91.229.3 (24 Jul 2013 20:16:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 20:16:03 +0000 (UTC) To: std-proposals@isocpp.org Original-X-From: std-proposals+bncBCOPV7FAXQPRBBPMYCHQKGQERMNAXNQ@isocpp.org Wed Jul 24 22:16:06 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: gclcip-std-proposals@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from mail-la0-f71.google.com ([209.85.215.71]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1V25Ti-0001uv-CU for gclcip-std-proposals@m.gmane.org; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 22:16:06 +0200 Original-Received: by mail-la0-f71.google.com with SMTP id fe20sf611327lab.2 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 13:16:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=nZIazACLIb4OZBPsPjf5w2Osntz9t68Q/8++A8YRXnE=; b=CZtW1KjfGiz7HoCKgBMJuRwz87lI84gv8/apl0sw9gC/z8qgSUeAsjl/WGGathEiaF 387UM25IS6Jb73Uwb0jdRjjY9Gh+nmx0RHz0sGUMshpUjSrJL48nvfdbSfsvMif2mvxe dN5GjOSwjwibpMV9zKWSD8SGUDCPNxsQcgvqzWKnacL5h7wXSN1x+ptvhXhvqVUH0FPC +asy/fkgTYNs8NFKZWGREyS5GZlaJSmEr7xGUlvqV3TjLM881+1m115R7ppPecxDghve yU/aI+dVSwEJU0ZU7Wxvt1DAcURjl5jo1J2Dazw5dCkgst44tdIk0n/S3GAK/pJyoxXt YpWw== X-Received: by 10.112.33.14 with SMTP id n14mr1336627lbi.20.1374696965601; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 13:16:05 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: std-proposals@isocpp.org Original-Received: by 10.152.18.168 with SMTP id x8ls24556lad.95.gmail; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 13:16:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.112.97.179 with SMTP id eb19mr3729077lbb.78.1374696965090; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 13:16:05 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from mail-lb0-x234.google.com (mail-lb0-x234.google.com [2a00:1450:4010:c04::234]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5si3140655lam.136.2013.07.24.13.16.05 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 24 Jul 2013 13:16:05 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of fernando.cacciola@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c04::234 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:4010:c04::234; Original-Received: by mail-lb0-f180.google.com with SMTP id t13so838076lbd.25 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 13:16:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.112.12.137 with SMTP id y9mr17174618lbb.91.1374696964930; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 13:16:04 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.114.186.41 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 13:15:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: fernando.cacciola@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of fernando.cacciola@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c04::234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=fernando.cacciola@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list std-proposals@isocpp.org; contact std-proposals+owners@isocpp.org List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 399137483710 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.lang.c++.isocpp.proposals:5547 Archived-At: --001a11c3aa2a44c21f04e2479427 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Olaf van der Spek wrote: > On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 8:43 PM, Fernando Cacciola > wrote: > > Allow me to insist that we do have a problem in terms of what end users > get > > from the language. Wouldn't these reasons suggest that C++ actually > needs an > > official implementation, at least an official library implementation? > > I don't think so, you can't put the entire world into an official > library implementation. > > What I think you want is a (far) easier way to consume libraries (on > Windows). > Very good point. > On Linux (Debian), one can do apt-get install cmake g++ > libboost-date-time-dev libboost-dev libboost-filesystem-dev > libboost-program-options-dev libboost-regex-dev > libboost-serialization-dev libmysqlclient15-dev make subversion > zlib1g-dev > and consume a vast amount of (C) libs. On Windows? It's a disaster > every time I update my compiler or want to setup an dev environment > from scratch. > > Indeed. In fact, when I do have the luxury of working on Linux, which is almost never, I indeed don't have any problem with the set of C++ (or even C) libs at my disposal. So I think I agree with you that the real problem is the lack of a streamlined cross-platform repository of libraries. Now, from Samlltalk to Perl to Python (from what I know), they all have that, whether you work on Windows or Linux, so it seems to me that it might be a problem that we (a community of C++ "authors") could solve (and not just blame Windows as in is MS fault) Best -- Fernando Cacciola SciSoft Consulting, Founder http://www.scisoft-consulting.com -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ISO C++ Standard - Future Proposals" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to std-proposals+unsubscribe@isocpp.org. To post to this group, send email to std-proposals@isocpp.org. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/a/isocpp.org/group/std-proposals/. --001a11c3aa2a44c21f04e2479427 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On W= ed, Jul 24, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Olaf van der Spek <olafvdspek@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 8:= 43 PM, Fernando Cacciola
<fernando.cacciola@gmail.= com> wrote:
> Allow me to insist that we do have a problem i= n terms of what end users get
> from the language. Wouldn't these reasons suggest that C++ actuall= y needs an
> official implementation, at least an official library implementation?<= br>
I don't think so, you can't put the entire world into an offi= cial
library implementation.

What I think you want is a (far) easier way to consume libraries (on Window= s).

Very good point.
=A0
On Linux (Debian), one can do apt-get install cmake g++
libboost-date-time-dev libboost-dev libboost-filesystem-dev
libboost-program-options-dev libboost-regex-dev
libboost-serialization-dev libmysqlclient15-dev make subversion
zlib1g-dev
and consume a vast amount of (C) libs. On Windows? It's a disaster
every time I update my compiler or want to setup an dev environment
from scratch.

Indeed. In fact, when I do have the luxury of working on Linux, whi= ch is almost never, I indeed don't have any problem with the set of C++= (or even C) libs at my disposal. So I think I agree with you that the real= problem is the lack of a streamlined cross-platform repository of librarie= s.

Now, from Samlltalk to Perl to Python (from what I know), th= ey all have that, whether you work on Windows or Linux, so it seems to me t= hat it might be a problem that we (a community of C++ "authors") = could solve (and not just blame Windows as in is MS fault)

Best

--
Fernando Cacciola
SciSoft = Consulting, Founder
http:/= /www.scisoft-consulting.com

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