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They didn't write those funct= ions just because they could. Does your class get as much usage as all inte= rnal Google and LLVM C++ projects? If not, then I would rather defer to the= guys who have the usage experience. Since explaining this to you, endorsement comes out as the heart of your ob= jection? You need to realize that there is a call for library proposals and= that this is the forum for such proposals: "The door is open for submissio= ns of features to be added to the standard library, and we would love to se= e them not only from existing community libraries like Boost, Poco, and Qt,= but from you.".=A0Proposals don't need your endorsement watchdogging. Let'= s stay squarely on topic. At any rate, a proposal that's based on something that has wide user experi= ence has a better chance at making it into the standard. 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On June 4, 2013 at 11:36:43 AM, Ville Vout= ilainen (ville.voutilainen@gmail.com) wrote:

On 4 June 2013 17:27, <carrierandoperator@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

I don't really see how that's an argument,= especially considering again that Google and LLVM do&n= bsp;need this functionality. They didn't write those functions just = because they could. Does your class get as much usage as all internal Googl= e and LLVM C++ projects? If not, then I would rather defer to the guys who = have the usage experience.

= Since explaining this to you, endorsement comes out as the heart of your ob= jection? You need to realize that there is a call for library proposals and= that this is the forum for such proposals: "The door is open for submissions of features to be added to = the standard library, and we would love to see them not only from existing = community libraries like Boost, Poco, and Qt, but from you.". Proposals don't need y= our endorsement watchdogging. Let's stay squarely on topic.


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At any rate, a proposal that's based on something that h= as wide user experience has a better chance
at making it into= the standard. A proposal that's loosely similar to such existing practice = but significantly
different benefits from having a section describing su= ch differences and their rationale.

This forum, however, = is not an official feedback channel. Then again, Nevin, Jeffrey and Jonatha= n
(and myself) are committee members, so I would recommend taking their = feedback seriously. 


I do appreciate = all constructive criticism I have received regarding sequences, by the way.=

I can add a secti= on which compares sequences and array_refs to my next iteration of the floa= ted proposal.


After reviewing my impl= ementation, I have decided it is most logical to keep it as two types; one = for mutable array elements and one for immutable. It will (likely) be a few= days until I get that update out.


Ch= eers

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j.carlson

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